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Wwkipedia about Panther
Panther tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
700PS@3000rpms------55km/h on road, 15.6PS/ton
600PS@2500rpms-----46km/h on road. 13.3PS/ton
Maybach HL230 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pzkpfw V Panther its variants.
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Wwkipedia about Panther
Panther tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
700PS@3000rpms------55km/h on road, 15.6PS/ton
600PS@2500rpms-----46km/h on road. 13.3PS/ton
Maybach HL230 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kurfürst
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I see, but wikipedia is an open source that everyone and anyone can edit; personal opinion is heavily influencing the content of the articles, and in this case, it seems to be an opinion that the regulation was done to prevent failures, as no references is cited for it.
To me, the limitations to 2500 rpm seems to be a good practice to preserve engine lifespan while at the same time not effecting the tanks mobility in practical terms (as the last 500 rpm only gave the tank some extra speed, but no more extra torque that would be useful).
This is a cut and paste from the very same claim you made earlier this year
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-general/german-weaponology-12294-2.html#post332637
so why do you repeat it when you know it isn't true?
Perhaps this time instead of ignoring reality you could provide the examples where this 'amazing success' happened and thus show you are not making it all up.
Further demolition of your other claims can be found in the same thread:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-general/german-weaponology-12294.html
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CharlesBronson
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Antiaircraft vehicles on Panther (IV) Flakpanzer Cölian 341 mit 3,7cm Flakzwilling 44.
In October of 1944 the Cölian was proposed as platform of a new armament. That was a pair of guns Flak 44 of 37mm mounted on chssis ausf G, this gun was a new design of Reinhmetall. Basically it was an aeronautical gun MK 103 adapted to receive the case of 263 mm in length of the projectile of 37 mm, it was operated by gases and belt fed.
it had a combined rate of fire of 500 rpm.
In order to lodge the gas conduct, the emplacement of the guns and mantlet of the twin assembly was modified. It also adapt a system of belt fed to this location to allow a fire with less interruptions (originally it was loaded with clips of 8 shots)
Effective ceiling stimated in 2500 meters.
The causes that finished this project were two:
A) Problems in the belt fed when the gun obtained its maximum elevation (85º)
B) The insistence of the WaffenAmt in an automatic gun of heavier caliber (superior to 37mm)
In October of 1944 the Cölian was proposed as platform of a new armament. That was a pair of guns Flak 44 of 37mm mounted on chssis ausf G, this gun was a new design of Reinhmetall. Basically it was an aeronautical gun MK 103 adapted to receive the case of 263 mm in length of the projectile of 37 mm, it was operated by gases and belt fed.
it had a combined rate of fire of 500 rpm.
In order to lodge the gas conduct, the emplacement of the guns and mantlet of the twin assembly was modified. It also adapt a system of belt fed to this location to allow a fire with less interruptions (originally it was loaded with clips of 8 shots)
Effective ceiling stimated in 2500 meters.
The causes that finished this project were two:
A) Problems in the belt fed when the gun obtained its maximum elevation (85º)
B) The insistence of the WaffenAmt in an automatic gun of heavier caliber (superior to 37mm)
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Nope, no demolition going on. You again just making stuff up.
Now stop being an arse and discontinue your childish attempts at derailing this thread.
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CharlesBronson
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Catch22
Major
Grat info!
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CharlesBronson
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Thank you, I need to add some about the JagdPanther wich is after all an specializated variant of the Panther.
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The JagdPanther ( Sonderkraftfahrzeug Nr 173)
The Jagdpanther was the most sucessful variant of the Panther other than the main battle tank and it was designed from the start to carry the mighty 8,8 pak 43. This gun had a longer barrel and cartrigde case, improving considerabely the penetration power with relation to the Kwk 36 mounted in Tiger 1.
After the installation in the Elefant the german army sought a lighter, cheaper and more realiable plataform, like the panzer IV, but eventually it was considered too small chassis for this gun and the Panther was choosed instead.
The predecessor, Panzer IV mit 8,8 cm Pak 43.
Early development:
The Jagdpanther was the most sucessful variant of the Panther other than the main battle tank and it was designed from the start to carry the mighty 8,8 pak 43. This gun had a longer barrel and cartrigde case, improving considerabely the penetration power with relation to the Kwk 36 mounted in Tiger 1.
After the installation in the Elefant the german army sought a lighter, cheaper and more realiable plataform, like the panzer IV, but eventually it was considered too small chassis for this gun and the Panther was choosed instead.
The predecessor, Panzer IV mit 8,8 cm Pak 43.
Early development:
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Jadgpanther , production and characteristics:
After tests of prototypes, it was then ordered to start the full-scale production in December of 1943. Jagdpanther's production at MIAG (Muhlenbau-Industrie AG) in Braunschweig started in January of 1944, while at MNH (Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsischen-Hanover) in Hannover in November of 1944. During the production, third assembly plant - MBA (Maschinenbau und Bahnbedarf) in Postdam-Brewitz also started producing Jagdpanthers. It was planned that production will reach output of 150 vehicles per month, but the highest output was in January of 1945, when 72 were produced.
A picture of one of the very first vehicles to be manufactured in october 1943, note the single block barreland pistol port in the side, characteristics that were deleted later
Overall from December of 1943 to March of 1945, only 392 were produced (chassis numbers 300001 to unknown and 303001 to unknown), although some sources state that about 413 to 417 were made since production continued until April of 1945 or 425 until May of 1945. The total number of Jagdpanthers produced was a direct result of Allied bomber raids, which caused much destruction and disruption at two production centers (MIAG and MNH).
Jagdpanther was based on standard Panther chassis with superstructure being an extension of the upper front hull (80mm thick armor) and side (50mm thick armor) plates. The new superstructure housed the fighting compartment with main hatch in the rear wall that was used by the crew to enter and exit the vehicle as well to load the ammunition.
Two other hatches were mounted on the roof of the superstructure. Jagdpanther's equipment differed from Panther's, only in hatch covers and small number of other components. The vehicle weighted 46 tons and was powered by 12 cylinder Maybach HL 230 P30 23.1 liter gasoline engine capable of making Jagdpanther reach maximum speed of 46km/h (average road speed was 25km/h).
Its fuel capacity was 700 liters and maximum range on road was 160km. Jagdpanther used Zahnradfabrik AK 7-200 transmission (7 forward and 1 reverse gear), later upgraded with newer and strengthened AK 7-400.
Jagdpanther was operated by five men crew - commander, gunner, loader, driver and radio operator. The driver sat at the front left and radio-operator/machine gunner on the other side of the gun. Behind them both sat the gunner and the loader, while at the rear of the fighting compartment sat the commander.
The driver had a periscope in the front superstructure next to the gun mount. Early models were mounted with two vision slots for the driver, while mid and late models produced starting February of 1944 had single vision slot. Other periscopes were mounted on the roof of the superstructure and were used by commander and loader.
Jagpanther,3 view late war variant and specifications:
After tests of prototypes, it was then ordered to start the full-scale production in December of 1943. Jagdpanther's production at MIAG (Muhlenbau-Industrie AG) in Braunschweig started in January of 1944, while at MNH (Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsischen-Hanover) in Hannover in November of 1944. During the production, third assembly plant - MBA (Maschinenbau und Bahnbedarf) in Postdam-Brewitz also started producing Jagdpanthers. It was planned that production will reach output of 150 vehicles per month, but the highest output was in January of 1945, when 72 were produced.
A picture of one of the very first vehicles to be manufactured in october 1943, note the single block barreland pistol port in the side, characteristics that were deleted later
Overall from December of 1943 to March of 1945, only 392 were produced (chassis numbers 300001 to unknown and 303001 to unknown), although some sources state that about 413 to 417 were made since production continued until April of 1945 or 425 until May of 1945. The total number of Jagdpanthers produced was a direct result of Allied bomber raids, which caused much destruction and disruption at two production centers (MIAG and MNH).
Jagdpanther was based on standard Panther chassis with superstructure being an extension of the upper front hull (80mm thick armor) and side (50mm thick armor) plates. The new superstructure housed the fighting compartment with main hatch in the rear wall that was used by the crew to enter and exit the vehicle as well to load the ammunition.
Two other hatches were mounted on the roof of the superstructure. Jagdpanther's equipment differed from Panther's, only in hatch covers and small number of other components. The vehicle weighted 46 tons and was powered by 12 cylinder Maybach HL 230 P30 23.1 liter gasoline engine capable of making Jagdpanther reach maximum speed of 46km/h (average road speed was 25km/h).
Its fuel capacity was 700 liters and maximum range on road was 160km. Jagdpanther used Zahnradfabrik AK 7-200 transmission (7 forward and 1 reverse gear), later upgraded with newer and strengthened AK 7-400.
Jagdpanther was operated by five men crew - commander, gunner, loader, driver and radio operator. The driver sat at the front left and radio-operator/machine gunner on the other side of the gun. Behind them both sat the gunner and the loader, while at the rear of the fighting compartment sat the commander.
The driver had a periscope in the front superstructure next to the gun mount. Early models were mounted with two vision slots for the driver, while mid and late models produced starting February of 1944 had single vision slot. Other periscopes were mounted on the roof of the superstructure and were used by commander and loader.
Jagpanther,3 view late war variant and specifications:
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Nice CB!- Thread starter
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That must have been one hell of a punch!
