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The tables don't suggest a 6 pdr APDS round could penetrate the Panthers glacis at all Charles, quite the opposite. Remember the effects of slope, the Panther's glacis is sloped 55 degree's from the vertical
The penetration tables for the apds 1944 57 mmm british round did say that the british gun is capable to penetrate the Panther glacis at 200 or 300 meters away, I dont care ( I repeat) dont care whatever you can tell about it.
Thanks for the answer Charles. Do you happen to have any pics of Panthers known to be taken at Arnhem in September '44? I haven't yet seen any of 9th or 10th SS Panzer at that battle, except PzKfw III and Stug. Would love to see some if you have, thanks again, Terry.
History
In the aftermath of the failed Arnhem offensive the British 6th Guards Tank Brigade was engaged in heavy fighting to gain control of the small Dutch village called Overloon. It was during these fierce battles that tankers of the 4th Armoured Battalion - Coldstream Guards, one of the 2 tank battalions in the brigade, entered a large barn, only to find a Panther tank of the PanzerAbteiling 2, Panzer Brigade 107. This Panther was in running order and quickly put to work in the staff units of the brigade. The use of this captured vehicle was a unique event, so it appears more than once in the official history of the brigade. (6)
After some adjustments were made to the appearance of the vehicle (more about that later) this Panther was used to help the artillery barrage on the Geijsteren castle, just north of Venlo, on the Meuse River. The tank was christened "Cuckoo", which seems to be an appropriate name for such a strange "bird"
In the artillery bombardment on the castle, Cuckoo proved to be a worthy newcomer. After an infantry attack at the castle failed, the decision was made to bombard the castle with artillery. This barrage proved to be not very successful, as the relatively small target was hard to hit with artillery. The 75mm tank guns and 6-pounders were more accurate, but too light to do real impressive damage to the thick walls of the castle.
The Panther tank on the other hand did an outstanding job: " The 95mms were a great success, but "Cuckoo", [………], did best of all, hurling its shells through selected windows with unfailing precision."
Later, during operation "Blackcock" (In an area to the south of Venlo) Cuckoo was deployed again, now to join in on an attack on the German town called Waldenrath. Cuckoo preformed very well again, it's mobility was especially noticeable.
The historian wrote; "The road conditions were abominable all day, but whereas the Churchill's and the Crocodiles, with no ice bars, slid into ditches at every possible opportunity, "Cuckoo" the Panther, eight tons heavier, trundled merrily along with no difficulty at all
Well then you don't care about the truth I guess.
Great pic and great info Charles. Thank you very much indeed
You are doing some desperate effort to disrupt the topic are you ?
Here we go again, people acting like children.
Somehow it always involves Soren (don't worry Soren I am not blaming you for this one though, but you are still involved...).
How is that it always involves you Soren?
CharlesBronson said:Sorry, maybe I overreacted a bit.