Question for Shinpachi

mhuxt · May 24, 2014

Hi Shinpachi,

There's a question over here

Mikuni Flight School, Tachikawa Airport, Japan

about Mikuni Flight School, specifically:

"Now I know that this is a really long shot but.............does anyone know:

- of any published material, in print or on the net, which covers the history of this flying school in the period 1929-33
- what aircraft the flying school operated in the period 1930-33
- whether the flying school closed in 1933 when civilian flying ceased at Tachikawa Airport
- if not, to where the flying school transferred and what was its history thereafter
- whether there is a successor to the flying school in existence today

With my thanks in both hope and anticipation!

AA"

Would you have any suggestions re: where to look? Some Japanese boards maybe?

Thanks.

N4521U · May 25, 2014

Comment removed by choice........

Interesting question.
I flew in to Tachikawa in '62 on my way to Subic Bay, a brief detour.

Shinpachi · May 25, 2014

Mikuni Flight School was opened by Prince Yamashina Takehiko, under control of Civil Aviation Bureau of Ministry of Communications, in July 1925 until June 1938 when the Bureau adopted new training system and returned the place/facilities to the army. It was located in the west side of Tachikawa Airfield and the main training aircraft was Salmson 2 disposed by the army as Type Otsu Mod.1 Recon.

Data source:
JACAR Japan Center for Asian Historical Records [Reference Code]C08051436000
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vikingBerserker · May 25, 2014

Awesome info, thanks Shinpachi!

tomo pauk · May 25, 2014

Great stuff.
BTW, seems like Salmson biplane has the cooling fan to add some fresh air to the engine bits parts...

edit: scratch that, seems like it's a radiator

Shinpachi · May 25, 2014

The display is replica. Here is original state of the fan.

mhuxt · May 25, 2014

Many thanks Shinpachi!

N4521U · May 25, 2014

BTW, do you know when the British flyers went to Japan to train carrier pilots?

Shinpachi · May 26, 2014

mhuxt said:
Many thanks Shinpachi!

You are welcome, sir

N4521U said:
BTW, do you know when the British flyers went to Japan to train carrier pilots?

Colonel William Francis Forbes-Sempill (1893-1965) and his 29 staff came and stayed in Japan to train IJN airmen with approx 100 British aircraft from September 1921 to March 1923.

avion ancien · May 26, 2014

Shinpachi, thank you. I was the poster of the original questions on another forum. So I'm most grateful to you for the information and questions. But here are some more.....!

I'm researching the career of a pilot who trained at the Mikuni Flight School between, I think, 1930 and 1933. In that research I'm come across an essay written by him, for his high school year book, in which he relates something of his flying training. Curiously, he relates flying off a beach at low tide. Was the former Tachikawa Airport near or even connected to a beach? If not, can you suggest from which beach he might have been flying? It would seem that there must have been some sort of hangarage nearby as he talks about his instructor, Mr Yasuoka, taxiing 'the Avro' to a stretch of drier, harder sand. I assume that the aeroplane was an Avro 504K because later in the same yearbook there's a photograph of the pilot manhandling Avro 504K J-BHUB. Was this aeroplane part of the training fleet of the Mikuni Flight School? And finally, in the essay the pilot talks about 'the Avro' being less responsive than 'the Hanriot'. So did the Mikuni Flight School also have Hanriots as part of its training fleet and, if so, which models? Looking at the first of the photographs posted by you, Shinpachi, there appear to be three distinct aeroplane types parked in front of the hangar and those in the second row from the front have something of the appearance of Avro 504Ks.

So here's my further thanks in anticipation...........

Shinpachi · May 26, 2014

no words but thanks.

Maximowitz · May 27, 2014

Very impressive research.

Shinpachi · May 27, 2014

Thanks, Paul. I am glad to see you again

Old data are scattered or faded away together with elderly people.
Not easy job to research.

I wondered why the questioner did not check the Google map and the history of IJN flight school at least.
Tachikawa Airfield located inland but Kasumigaura flight school faced a large beach.
I lost words

avion ancien · May 27, 2014

Please forgive me. I have very little knowledge of Japanese aviation and its history. The research that I'm undertaking relates primarily to matters and events outside of Japan. It's just that the pilot learnt to fly in Japan.

Shinpachi said:
I wondered why the questioner did not check the Google map

That's a fair point and the simple answer is that it did not occur to me!

Shinpachi said:
I wondered why the questioner did not checkand the history of IJN flight school at least

For the reason given at the outset and the fact that the IJN Flight School was not hitherto mentioned, I hadn't the knowledge to do so. However I will do so now.

Shinpachi said:
Tachikawa Airfield located inland but Kasumigaura flight school faced a large beach.

Thank you for that information.

Even if it may seem otherwise, I am grateful to you for allowing me to benefit from your knowledge, Shinpachi, and if it appears that I'm expecting others to do my research for me, that is not the impression I sought to give and it is not what I expect. It's just that it's not easy seeking such arcane information from the other side of the world when my resources are limited to what is available on the internet and, regrettably, I cannot read Japanese.

Shinpachi · May 27, 2014

What I can do is not much because there are not so many records about the private flight schools before ww2 as expected but main airframes used as trainers around 1930 are confirmed Avro 504, Nieuport 24 and Anrio 28 beside Salmson 2.

For more information, JAPAN AERONAUTIC ASSOCIATION may know.

Photo from JAPAN AERONAUTIC ASSOCIATION

avion ancien · May 27, 2014

Thank you, Shinpachi. You've kindly provided me with another avenue to pursue.

Shinpachi · May 27, 2014

You are welcome, avion ancien

nuuumannn · May 27, 2014

What I can do is not much because there are not so many records about the private flight schools before ww2 as expected but main airframes used as trainers around 1930 are confirmed Avro 504, Nieuport 24 and Anrio 28 beside Salmson 2.

Hi Shinpachi and avion ancien, I hope I'm not being too presumptuous in presenting this information, but taking a look at the photo, I think you might be right in the types listed, Shinpachi. From the bottom, the two larger biplanes flanking the smaller one are Salmson 2A2s, the smaller one being a Nakajima Army Type Ko 3 Fighter/trainer, based on the Nieuport 28. The second row are Avro 504s, the square tailplanes are a giveaway and the smaller aircraft at front isn't easily identifiable, but not a Hanriot as it had squarish tailplane similar to the Nieuport. It looks like a single seat single bay biplane with no sweep on its main wing. Will have to look into it more.

Colonel William Francis Forbes-Sempill (1893-1965) and his 29 staff came and stayed in Japan to train IJN airmen with approx 100 British aircraft from September 1921 to March 1923.

This is a fascinating topic and has recently been tainted with accusations of the main British players with treason, as in this thread here:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-general/kriegsmarine-aircraft-carrier-39724-3.html#post1094763

Following the post with the 'documentary', needless to say, my thoughts on its accuracy are not complimentary.

A brilliant resource in English about early Japanese aviation is Japanese Aircraft 1910 - 1941 by Robert Mikesh and Shorzoe Abe. A comprehensive detailing of Japanese aircraft and activities, published by Putnam. Now out of print, but some around the 2nd hand market.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1557505632/?tag=dcglabs-20

Good luck with your research, avion. Shinpachi, my interest in such things is the British Mission to Japan, in particular the Japanese use of the Cuckoo torpedoplane. Japan was the only export customer of the type and it was being prepared for a raid against the German High Seas Fleet in WW1 - sorry, don't mean to derail the thread, just to illustrate my interest in Japanese aviation.

In case you are interested, I put this on the forum a few years back:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/world-war-i/laying-eggs-someone-elses-basket-30776.html

N4521U · May 28, 2014

nuuumannn said:
This is a fascinating topic and has recently been tainted with accusations of the main British players with treason, as in this thread here:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-general/kriegsmarine-aircraft-carrier-39724-3.html#post1094763

Following the post with the 'documentary', needless to say, my thoughts on its accuracy are not complimentary.

A brilliant resource in English about early Japanese aviation is Japanese Aircraft 1910 - 1941 by Robert Mikesh and Shorzoe Abe. A comprehensive detailing of Japanese aircraft and activities, published by Putnam. Now out of print, but some around the 2nd hand market.

Japanese Aircraft, 1910-1941 (Putnam Aviation Series): Robert Mikesh, Shorzoe Abe: 9781557505637: Amazon.com: Books

Japanese Aircraft 1910 - 1941
30 bucks used on Amazon
$127.00, he's dreamin, on eBay

Shinpachi · May 28, 2014

It is interesting that Sempill is regarded as a traitor when he did not imagine that his country and Japan would go into the war. Japan also had no war intention with the western countries until the end of 1940 when the embargo looked endless. I think he only did his job faithfully.

For his honour,
Shinpachi

Image: His letter to IJN date 23rd May, 1923

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