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Rifles and Machineguns of WW2
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
Reality check I guess.
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
my sig. sorry for the offence
Matt308
Glock Perfection
No problem...er... Banana...Foot...Head.
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CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Quite amusing name.
The Pzb 39 in practice shooting, the muzzle velocity of this anti-armor rifle was 1180 m/s.
The Pzb 39 in practice shooting, the muzzle velocity of this anti-armor rifle was 1180 m/s.
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
After reading this thread, I see a lot of people consider the M1 the best rifle of the war. Nothing against the Garand (designed by a Canadian by the way) but I fail to see any advantage it would have over a G43. G43 having a 10 round detachable box magazine. I have heard that the rifle was a little flimsy for the 7.92mm cartridge, thus affecting aim, but nobody has ever backed that up. Any info?
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
Now Im gonna go waste a few americans with my Kar98k on Call of duty 3 awaiting a few replies.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
It was fairly good weapon, but not as robust as the M1. Claims are that it would have made a bit of difference if it was made in larger quantities. There was also a sniper version that was even more rare. Would have put the Wermacht on better par with M1 and SVT-40.
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CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
The loading system in the G-43 was far better but the the muzzle energy was minor than the Garand M-1. The Garand had a muzzle bullet speed of 850 m/s, the G-43 just 745 m/s.
Off course in the close combat a dead is a dead and nobody would feel much difference.
Off course in the close combat a dead is a dead and nobody would feel much difference.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Yep. En bloc clip is a pain. The BM-59 and M-14 solved that one though. By the way the G-43 shown above with original scope and markings would be worth a princely sum here in US. Off the top of my head in the $5k range.
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
Id still buy it, but here in Canada, its more likely to be a fake though
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Best I know, you CAN'T buy that in Canada. Can you?? A guy at work had a cousin in BC that had a FAL and he was trying to dump it in the late 90s because of gov't confiscation...or so I thought. Maybe I'm just thinking of Australia. I know that they chopped up theirs.
And a fake one (ie one put together with piece parts would go for almost that much anyway. One with "pedigree" (ie one that is traceable to some historical lineage would be off the charts.
And a fake one (ie one put together with piece parts would go for almost that much anyway. One with "pedigree" (ie one that is traceable to some historical lineage would be off the charts.
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
could the muzzle energy disparity be explained by the fact that the .30 o6 cartridge was larger? perhaps the 7.92mm was more effective in offering less recoil, and as a result less fatigue for the shooter? I dunno, just speculation. I know that the swedish mauser with the 6.5mm cardridge was often called more effective because of the redused recoil. And the ranges that the majority of fights would be at, the redused energy wouldnt make a difference. Sorry about the horrible spelling, but I am focused on the hockey game right now, which Canada is leading Russia 3-0
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
The Canadain gun laws are very arbitrary. Why the FN FAL is labled "prohibited", and the M-14 is just "restricted", is anybodys guess. Both being pinned for semi-auto only of course.
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
Hey Hussars, where did you go to cadets? I was in 570 squadron from Edmonton.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
One of the problems with the G-43 was its rather unique (by battle rifle standards) use of tapping the propellent gases at the muzzle and not in the barrel. This apparently made fouling a significant issue in battlefield conditions.
Also recoil is slightly less because the KE of the 8mm round for virtually same weight is almost 300fps slower.
bananafoothead
Airman
- 22
- Dec 23, 2006
Less energy, maybe because the .30 06 round is 63mm long vs. 57mm for the mauser? It seems to me that the .30 06 may be a fine sniper, or specialist cardridge but overpowered for the average soldier. Do you think that if the Garand was rechambered for something like the 6.5mm or even the 7.62 NATO (I realize it was post war) it could have been even better? I suspect magazine capacity would be increased as well, for no penalty in weight.
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
If it was full-auto its illegal even with an urestricted license, its really strict out here, a Semi-Auto FAL is legal out here though
Matt308
Glock Perfection
8mm is developed to 35,000cup. .30-06 to 50,000cup. Neither cartridge creates that much recoil. Now .308 (7.62X51) is developed to 62,000cup. Twice that of 8mm. This is why .30-06 and .308 are virtually identical ballistically. They did develop the Garand for .308 post WWII. However, the .30-06 and .308 cartridges are virtually the same in diameter for the en bloc clip and thus same capacity. Only detachable box magazine solves this problem.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Okay it is legal. But did't you have to register (or re-register) your firearms and then semi0-auto rifles (defined somehow - like with >10rd mag) had to be stored at register gun ranges and your rifle could not be moved from premises without a separate approval mechanism through gov't? I recall it was so damn onerous that either you submitted, got rid of your guns, or moved underground. Damn shame for law abiding citizens. Like that is going to affect a single criminal.
