Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
Good ones guys!
Somali Hijackers
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Freebird
Master Sergeant
It's great that the captain has been saved. However, we shouldn't forget that there are still hundreds of sailors held captive.
Somali pirates holding 300 sailors captive: Russian report
Messy1
Master Sergeant
That is very true Freebird. By taking more and more sailors hostage, and with the media coverage this is situation is now receiving, these pirates are forcing the hands of the rest of the world. All they are doing is drawing more and more attention to their terrible acts, and bringing a swifter resolution.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
I can't vouch for the authenticity of this, but I suspect it is mostly true.
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I got this from a friend who still works with the military as an advisor.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. Obama wouldn't authorize SEAL teams to go to the scene for 36 hours, going against on scene commander's recommendation.
2. Once the SEALs arrived, Obama imposed restrictions on their Rules of Engagement that they couldn't do anythingunless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to Rules of Engagement restrictions.
4. When the navy Rigid Inflatable Boat came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to Rules of Engagement restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the Rigid Inflatable Boat, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. Obama specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge Captain and SEAL teams.
6. The Bainbridge Captain and the SEAL team Commander finally decide they had the operations area and on scene commander's authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies.
7. Obama immediately claimed credit for this "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with Obama, it's Bull ****.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a "peaceful solution" would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he'd had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
______________________________________________________________
I got this from a friend who still works with the military as an advisor.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. Obama wouldn't authorize SEAL teams to go to the scene for 36 hours, going against on scene commander's recommendation.
2. Once the SEALs arrived, Obama imposed restrictions on their Rules of Engagement that they couldn't do anythingunless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to Rules of Engagement restrictions.
4. When the navy Rigid Inflatable Boat came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to Rules of Engagement restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the Rigid Inflatable Boat, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. Obama specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge Captain and SEAL teams.
6. The Bainbridge Captain and the SEAL team Commander finally decide they had the operations area and on scene commander's authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies.
7. Obama immediately claimed credit for this "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with Obama, it's Bull ****.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a "peaceful solution" would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he'd had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
Interesting, once again proving how politics can muck up a military operation.
Ferdinand Foch
Staff Sergeant
Once again, I can only find the political mismanagement in this situation as another criticism of the Obama administration. I just hope that Obama can wise up and let the commanders on the field make their own decisions in the future.
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
Matt Whoever opened their mouth should be charged under military justice that is a breech of security further
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
I'm watching the episode right now.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Matt308
Glock Perfection
IF they are in the military. Politics as usual. But the result is telling is it not?
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
Maybe the pirates cook up some mean "grog"?
It was in the news today that a Russian warship captured a Somali pirate ship with 22 pirates and arms. Didn't say much else though....
It was in the news today that a Russian warship captured a Somali pirate ship with 22 pirates and arms. Didn't say much else though....
Matt308
Glock Perfection
This is too funny.....
From a distance the large ship on the horizon looked like the perfect target, ripe for a successful spot of piracy.
But as Somali pirates sped toward the vessel sailing near the Seychelles Islands on Sunday, they were horrified to see two boats and a helicopter set off from their target and launch their own counter-attack.
FOXNews.com - Oops! Pirates Captured After Threatening Wrong Ship - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
From a distance the large ship on the horizon looked like the perfect target, ripe for a successful spot of piracy.
But as Somali pirates sped toward the vessel sailing near the Seychelles Islands on Sunday, they were horrified to see two boats and a helicopter set off from their target and launch their own counter-attack.
FOXNews.com - Oops! Pirates Captured After Threatening Wrong Ship - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
I can only solemnly say.....
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
Sucks to be them.
Arsenal VG-33
Senior Airman
It's amazing how in this day and age of technological advancement, some of the oldest tricks in the book such as turning into the sun to blind your opponent, can still be applied.
vid of the capture:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYY7OZdLAM
vid of the capture:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYY7OZdLAM
Great to see, funny how something so simple can fool them. Should try it more often.Full article: Doh! Pirates captured after attacking the wrong ship - Times Online
