Strange Airplanes from WWII
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Shortround6
Major General
One does wonder about the landing procedure for this thing?
Exact 3 point?
Land on the nose wheel and the let the vertical stabilizer wheels settle?
Land on the vertical stabilizers and let the nose wheel settle?
I will let the pilots argue it out but repeating landings with the horizontal stabilizer taking the landing loads (even in 3 pointers) doesn't seem like a good long term solution to me
Exact 3 point?
Land on the nose wheel and the let the vertical stabilizer wheels settle?
Land on the vertical stabilizers and let the nose wheel settle?
I will let the pilots argue it out but repeating landings with the horizontal stabilizer taking the landing loads (even in 3 pointers) doesn't seem like a good long term solution to me
buffnut453
Captain
One does wonder about the landing procedure for this thing?
Exact 3 point?
Land on the nose wheel and the let the vertical stabilizer wheels settle?
Land on the vertical stabilizers and let the nose wheel settle?
I will let the pilots argue it out but repeating landings with the horizontal stabilizer taking the landing loads (even in 3 pointers) doesn't seem like a good long term solution to me
Agreed. Putting the wheels at the bottom of the vertical stabilizers means every landing will put a lot of stress on the horizontal stablilizer. To me, that suggests a lot of extra structural weight in that area for no real benefit to performance or load-carrying.
The nose gear does seem quite substantial, so perhaps the landing sequence was #2 on your list. Regardless, it seems like the designer was trying to be a bit too clever. Sometimes, thinking outside the box results in truly innovative solutions...but a lot of times it just delivers really dumb ideas.
Perhaps the nose wheel was telescoping and could be adjusted? The aircraft had an impressive performance and armament.
... except that the thing reportedly had good handling. It certainly had a sparkling performance (360mph top speed quoted). And - given even in prototype form, it carried 5 20mm cannons - load carrying doesn't seem like an issue either.
Any Francophones know of any detailed flight test information? Some more detailed engineering info would be fascinating to read too - along with some flight notes on how they landed the thing.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
and, unlike a main gear in a wing or naccelle, there is no weight outboard of the gear to provide any counter forces to reduce the bending moments on the stabilizer centre section
bdefen
Senior Airman
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Roland Payen was the designer of the PA-22 and according to some sources, was the "father" of Delta Wing aircraft, except that many of his designs looked a great deal like Dr. Lippisch's designs (who was building aircraft about the time Payen was a child).
bdefen
Senior Airman
I'm sure he was gifted.
unkated
Airman
The despair of aircraft engine maintenance crews
He111H-Z Zwilling
Gott in Himmel! So many engines, all alike!
Not to mention fly by committee.
There was also a Bf109-Z Zwilling, and lest you think this a peculiarly German disease, the US F-82 Twin Mustang.
The German designs were attempts to get more powerful aerial tow vehicles for gliders. The F-82 was designed for longer range as a bomber escort or intercet.
He111H-Z Zwilling
Gott in Himmel! So many engines, all alike!
Not to mention fly by committee.
There was also a Bf109-Z Zwilling, and lest you think this a peculiarly German disease, the US F-82 Twin Mustang.
The German designs were attempts to get more powerful aerial tow vehicles for gliders. The F-82 was designed for longer range as a bomber escort or intercet.
Many years ago, BBC Radio 3 (that's the 'cultural' one) did a whole week on music and things French.I understand the chief designer went on to a brilliant post-war career as a designer for Renault.
Then came the half-hour (or whatever) on great French engineering. This produced the cruncher: 'Ow can I be taken seriously as an engineer, when I confess I come from the country which produces the Citroën Ami-6?'
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Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Looks like a Ford Anglia 105E, after eating far to much Camembert !
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Bf109Z (made from two Bf109Fs) was an attempt to create a "heavy fighter", it was built but never flown.
The Me609 was along the same lines, but was to be built from Me309 components.
The Italians had a heavy fighter design, too, with the Savoia-Marchetti SM.92 which was actually flown for testing.
The Soviets also had one in the prototype stage, the Ol-2 made by Victor Belyaev but the German invasion stopped any further development.
bdefen
Senior Airman
Does your dog bite?
bdefen
Senior Airman
They Luftwaffe had used two separate He111's for the Me323 giant glider towing, but apparently that was a pretty dangerous practice, so the HE111 Zwilling was developed.
bdefen
Senior Airman
Wonder if it had the retractable rear window like the big Mercury's of the late 60s. Great for exhausting the aroma of too much cheese.
bdefen
Senior Airman
The retracting rear window was called the Breezeway. Here it is:
buffnut453
Captain
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