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Heres a list of all the USAAF aircraft missing in the ETO on July 7 1944

MACR Group Aircraft
6803 4 P-51
6701 20 P-38
7353 44 B-24
7354 44 B-24
7355 44 B-24
6514 52 P-51
6573 82 P-38
6696 353 P-47
6794 355 P-51
6792 355 P-51
6694 357 P-51
6657 362 P-47
6646 368 P-47
6645 368 P-47
6664 370 P-38
7358 379 B-17
7357 379 B-17
6632 379 B-26
7492 389 B-24
7366 389 B-24
7365 389 B-24
7364 389 B-24
7363 389 B-24
7367 390 B-17
7368 390 B-17
7371 392 B-24
7370 392 B-24
7216 392 B-24
7369 392 B-24
7218 392 B-24
7221 398 B-17
7219 398 B-17
7222 401 B-17
6373 451 B-24
7226 453 B-24
6371 454 B-24
6571 454 B-24
6569 454 B-24
6515 455 B-24
8195 457 B-17
7227 458 B-24
6815 459 B-24
6591 459 B-24
6593 460 B-24
6566 463 B-17
6864 463 B-17
6862 463 B-17
6572 464 B-24
6570 464 B-24
6588 464 B-24
6594 464 B-24
6590 464 B-24
6957 465 B-24
7549 489 B-24
7238 492 B-24
7236 492 B-24
7831 492 B-24
7228 492 B-24
7232 492 B-24
7230 492 B-24
7237 492 B-24
7235 492 B-24
7233 492 B-24
7229 492 B-24
7231 492 B-24
7239 492 B-24
7240 802 MOSQUITO
 
just noted this last night..........from EE
 

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Early 2006 means Summer 2006.... Hopefully I'll be finished with Vol. I before this one comes out...

BTW gentlemen, this book, Jagdeschader 300 Vol. I is unreal.... The pics and the text, as well as the paper used, are all top of the line.... Definatly worth the 75.00 and I'm only in Chapter 3...
 
Hi,

According Publisher (Schiffer edition) cover painting of Willi Reschke JG 301/302 book present "(...)12./Jg 301 Sturmbocks crossed paths with the 352nd FG (...)"
Also Reschke himself mentioned (see page 163, 189 and 192) that he flew Fw 190 with 30 mm cannons.
Any comments ?


Also, I want to present my list of Sturmgruppen aces (10+ kills)

Pilot---Units-- Claims (Sturmgruppen Units only )

Werner Gerth; Sturmstaffel 1, IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 26(22 Viermotors) ; KIA 2 11 44
Klaus Neumann; IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 20 (19)
Konrad Bauer; II.(Sturm)/JG 300; 16 (10 Vier) [36 ? (29 Viermotors ? )]
Walter Loos; IV.(Sturm)/JG3 JG 300; ~17( 9 )
Willi Maximowitz; Sturmstaffel 1, IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 15(15) + 12 VVS a/c; KIA 20 04 45
Klaus Bretschneider; II.(Sturm)/JG 300; 14 (13); KIA 24 12 44
Walter Dahl; Stab/JG 300; 14(12)
Siegfried Müller; Sturmstaffel 1, IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 12(9) + 3 VVS
Rudolf Zwesken; II.(Sturm)/JG 300; 12+ (7+)
Willi Unger; IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 11(11) + 3 VVS
Gerhard Vivroux; Sturmstaffel 1, IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 11(10); WIA 6 10 44 DOW 25 10 44
Wolfgang Kosse; Sturmstaffel 1, IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 11(6) KIA 24 12 44
Oskar Bösch; Sturmstaffel 1, IV.(Sturm)/JG3; 10( 8 ) + 8 VVS
Oskar Romm; IV.(Sturm)/JG3 10( 8 ) + 6 VVS
Rudolf Metz; Sturmstaffel 1, II(Sturm)./JG 4; 9(9); KIA 6 10 44
 
Gizmo your list needs some additions. Dahls score can be questioned as well as Walter Loos and the last pilots score has never been officially accounted for as some of his supposed kills were not recorded.

friend Oskar Bösch actually had a total of 19 kills though he credits himself with 18.

JG 301/302 book by Schiffer cover pic of a Fw 190A-8/R2, not a SturmFw and actually no proof of that colour or marking schemem by any fotos. III./JG 300 was the Schwere gruppe of JG 301 and in september/October 44 before they accepted some Ta 152H's later were to perform Sturm like tactics but the Fw's had NO heavy armor, in cat the outside 2cm was replaced by the Mk 108's sometimes but the usal armament was just for the regular A-8. The gruppe attacked by 3-5 a/c at a time in a small wedge up[on the bombers and this is what they did on 26 November 44 against the 445th bg (lost 5 B-24's) and the 491st bg (lost 16), all to JG 301 Fw 190A's. My cousin was KIA on this mission flying his Fw 190A-9, white 2 while in 5./JG 301, Siegfried Baer.

I have not checked my sources but I do believe that Schiffers book cover is for the disasterous March 2, 45 mission when the 352nd blue nose Mustangs blasted JG 301
 
interesting that is the first mission that JG 301 flew as a Gefechtsverband in unity. came out of the clouds to blast one B-17 formation, the 398th bomb group lost 10-15 bombers accorind to their historian. Roger Freeman in his mighty eighth war diary gives losses at 5 B-17's only. Very little is actually known about that mission though. much of the JG 301 kills were given to JG 1 which is odd....this was my cousins first mission while in 5th staffel

One other thing is that Will Reschke did not have all availbel infos for his book available to him such as total kills and losses. read through the chapter(s) concerning 1945 and you will find huge gaps with sometimes no dates even given for the missions agasint US and Soviet fighters and the bombings of Soviet bridgeheads with JG 300 fighters
 
A-7/R2's made up many of the machines in I./JG 11, no armor but had the outboard Mk 108's fitted used in frontal attacks in the spring of 44 before the A-8 took their places
 
there were only 3 sturmgruppen fitted with A-8/r2 and r8 variants with added armor on the fuselage, wings around ammo boxes, canopy, cockpit. the standard A-8/r2 or MK all had just outboard 3cm weapons for bomber killing they were not armored. Also III./JG 301 had a few full on R2 variants with cockpit armor and armored front glass but still not so like the 3 SturmFw gruppen.

I./JG 11 first used the MK model for bomber killing attacking from the front and also JG 1 was suppose to be suplemented as well, why I./JG 11 was not done over as a full on Sturmgruppe is beyond me as it probably had the most experienced crews of any outfit in the spring/summer of 44. Even the tried Sturmstaffel 1 that transferred personell into JG 3 and later JG 4 still did not have the kill ratio/losses that I./JG 11 had, instead I./JG 11 flew the A-8 standard
 
JG 4 volumes by Eric Mombeek are almost finished being translated from the German to the English and volume 2 of EE's JG 300 due out in September this year hopefully ..........
 
I know I know, but at least the Dora book, volume 1 will be available before JG 300 so that might be some bright news to the gloom ........
 
see eagle-editions.com

Jerry Crandall, new releases page and they cover the Dora book(s) of sorts. no commitment as to when the volumes will be released by stone and stone which is quite reputable mentions the September release month
 
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