SU-85M/SU-100....

[Lucky13]

Found that the SU-85 were used by the Soviet, Polish and Czechoslovak forces in WWII, how about the SU-100? Anyone know which units?

 

[Wurger]

In The Polish Army, Su-85s were used by 13th Regiment of Self-propelled Artillery of the 1st Armoured Brigade for instance.

I have found the profile Jan ( source unknown....). It might be interesting for you.

 

[Lucky13]

 

[vikingBerserker]

Well done W!

In so far as users of the SU-100, these are the only units I've found so far:

Soviet 7th Mechanized Corps
Soviet 1st Guards Mechanised Corps
Soviet Guards Tank Corps

 

[Lucky13]

Cheers VB, appreciated!

 

[Lucky13]

Well, got it today, on a Sunday!? Must be because of the weather me think....hope that the mail....persons are paid for it!

Wojtek, do you have anything else on the 13th Regiment of Self-propelled Artillery of the 1st Armoured Brigade?

 

[Wurger]

Wojtek, do you have anything else on the 13th Regiment of Self-propelled Artillery of the 1st Armoured Brigade?

What kind of info are you looking for?

 

[Lucky13]

How much info will a case of beer give me? Think that it'd be interesting to make this '85 from that unit...


Same tank?

 

[Wurger]

I think it is the same self-propelled gun from the profile above. It was used in Romania in 1944. But the unit is unidentified. Judging by uniforms of these guys in your pic , it was the Russian one.

 

[Lucky13]

Really? I just clocked over that the C-13 looked the same.... Doesn't matter.......this SU-85M will become a Polish tank when time comes. Hopefully you'll give me a hand Wojtek my friend....

Romania in '44 it says in the profile....always a start! Btw, I saw that the Czech only got 2 of the '85's!

 

[Wurger]

I'm not sure if Czech got two SPGs only. But it seems to be true that basic type was Su-122 but not the Su-85/100

Here two pics I have found via the Net.

The first on shows Su-85 of 13th Regiment. Notice that the front right wheel was damaged. In the second image it is Su-85M of the 24th Regiment.

 

[Lucky13]

Much obliged my friend, when did they start to carry the Polish Eagle?

 

[Wurger]

On the 11th Match 1944 in Raj town was set the Command of Armoured Artillery consisted of 3 Batteries equipped with 4xSU-85 in each unit. The unit was attached to the 1st Armoured Brigade. On 18th April there were delivered 9 next SU-85s and the name of the unit was changed to the 13th Regiment of Self-propelled Atillery. The order issued on 12th August 1944 excluded the unit from the 1st Armoured Brigade and subordinated to the Headquarters of the 1st Polish Army.

In June 1944 introduced markings of vehicles :

The Unit Commander's one - number 300
The 1st Battery - 310-314
The 2nd Battery - 320-324
The 3rd Battery - 330-334
The 4th Battery - 340-344

Also at the same time the Polish Eagles appeared on vehicles .

And here the organization scheme of the unit in May 1944 ( source unknown).

 

[Wurger]

Really? I just clocked over that the C-13 ...

Btw. I saw that the Czech only got 2 of the '85's!

Because I still think it was the Russian SU-85 , the tactical number isn't C-13 actually but S-13. It is because the Russian letter C is the Latin S.

I have found that three SU-85s were lent to The Czech Armoured Brigade.

 

[Lucky13]

Thank you very much Wojtek, appreciated! So, I can the one in the profile, C-13 (?) or 313? Want my '13'!

 

[Wurger]

For the Russian SU-85 you can make the C-13. As far as the Polish one is concerned you can make the 313 vehicle. However I haven't found any images of the SU-85. But there were issued two die-cast models of the SPG. Shots below...
Of course you know these Polish vehicles were of SU-85 variant but not SU-85M or SU-100.

 

[Lucky13]

Oh...right! Need to check the difference again then, the '85M was just a stopgap before the '100, right? Something with production and some flaws....

SU-85M - SU-85 with the casemate from the SU-100 tank destroyer, which was larger and could carry up to 60 rounds instead of 48. It also had the same commander's cupola as the one used in the T-34-85.

Thanks again Wojtek, appreciated!

 

[Wurger]

Yep..the SU-85M ( modified) had features both SU-83 and the SU-100. For instance the commander's cupola with the bulge on starboard making more room for him.

 

[Lucky13]

...and 60 instead for 48 rounds. So, we're scr*wed for a Polish SU-85M then? Bummer!

Also found that:
With the advent of the deadlier SU-100 Tank Destroyer, the production of SU-85's was canceled. Sum totally, 2329 SU-85's and 315 SU-85M's were built.
I thought that 'M' variant was included in the total of 2329 '85's....silly me!

 

[Wurger]

Here you are technical datas for SU-85/100/122.


Concerning the production datas... according info I have found , from 1942 to 1946 there was assembled : SU-122 - 637, SU-85/85M - 2654, SU-100 - 3037. The SU-85 late version was producing for three months ( September-November ) of 1944 together with SU-100. Then its assembling was finished.