syscom3
Pacific Historian
plan_D said:
And jangling keys in front of your face also amuses you too
Tactical Strikes of World War II
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And jangling keys in front of your face also amuses you too
syscom3
Pacific Historian
plan_D said:
I was reffering to small light bomber raid. And the 8th AF list shows about the same numbers of heavy bombers would attack an airfield as this raid.
I'm still searching around for them.
I can interpret that to the RAF being totally unprepared for the attack. And I bet it was the last time something like that happened.
You overlook the fact that fighter bombers are also fighters, and are cheaper to build and use than light bombers. Plus they frequently bombed things "on the fly", or directed by the ground troops to where to attack. Plus they could strafe things on the way home, blah, blah blah. Light bombers couldnt do that, thats why they were a waste.
syscom3 said:
But at the same time that was funny too.
Thanks for the great laughs.
Albert Speer (heard of him SysCon) stated that over 700,000 able bodied men were involved in manning anti aircraft batteries throughout Europe, from 20mm upwards in 1944
Also stated was that over 300,000 were involved in repairing infrastructure from damage of all types from air strikes.
Further, that 20,000 (one third of all production) of the 88mm cannon was involved in anti aircraft defence, when they would have been better employed in the anti tank role on the russian front.
So 20,000 88mm, over 1,000,000 combat capable men are negated from the OOB for the German army.
Let alone the number of 20mm Vierling and 37mm guns needed to defend against low level, Both of which the Germans had a great penchance for using in the ground role against troops etc.
Also, raids by medium bombers served as double edged swords, sending 12 different raiding strikes against different locations at the same time as your bomber streams are reaching for 2 or 3 main targets has a slight dispersal effect upon the enemies resources.
If you now configure things with window strips, ECM etc so that the effect is to confuse or delay the realisation by ground control of where the main strike is to occur, you further weaken the defenders chances.
If you time strikes against a number of airfields while the planes are up in the air, and destroy their capacity to handle aircraft for, oh lets say 4 hours, Where do the aircraft land?
(They could stay up their only so long)
If they now have to fly 150 miles to the nearest airfield, how much is their combat time and effectiveness reduced?
Now you have repaired the holes in the dirt in 4 hours, but we have a little problem, the piddly little 1,000 pound bomb just took out or POL resources, and that tiny 500 pounder nailed the armoury.
The other one didn't cause structural damage to the airfield, but we sure are going to miss those mechanics that were in that bunker (read BIG HOLE) cause we need to fix the planes.
Also we are having a slight problem because of the 12 RAF planes that sneaked in and made a small mess at the local power station, so we are running limited resources on local generators.
Starting to get the picture. If you take a more "Holistic" view, every strike was tacticaly and Strategicaly important for the domino effect to occur.
Albert Speer (heard of him SysCon) stated that over 700,000 able bodied men were involved in manning anti aircraft batteries throughout Europe, from 20mm upwards in 1944
Also stated was that over 300,000 were involved in repairing infrastructure from damage of all types from air strikes.
Further, that 20,000 (one third of all production) of the 88mm cannon was involved in anti aircraft defence, when they would have been better employed in the anti tank role on the russian front.
So 20,000 88mm, over 1,000,000 combat capable men are negated from the OOB for the German army.
Let alone the number of 20mm Vierling and 37mm guns needed to defend against low level, Both of which the Germans had a great penchance for using in the ground role against troops etc.
Also, raids by medium bombers served as double edged swords, sending 12 different raiding strikes against different locations at the same time as your bomber streams are reaching for 2 or 3 main targets has a slight dispersal effect upon the enemies resources.
If you now configure things with window strips, ECM etc so that the effect is to confuse or delay the realisation by ground control of where the main strike is to occur, you further weaken the defenders chances.
If you time strikes against a number of airfields while the planes are up in the air, and destroy their capacity to handle aircraft for, oh lets say 4 hours, Where do the aircraft land?
(They could stay up their only so long)
If they now have to fly 150 miles to the nearest airfield, how much is their combat time and effectiveness reduced?
Now you have repaired the holes in the dirt in 4 hours, but we have a little problem, the piddly little 1,000 pound bomb just took out or POL resources, and that tiny 500 pounder nailed the armoury.
The other one didn't cause structural damage to the airfield, but we sure are going to miss those mechanics that were in that bunker (read BIG HOLE) cause we need to fix the planes.
Also we are having a slight problem because of the 12 RAF planes that sneaked in and made a small mess at the local power station, so we are running limited resources on local generators.
Starting to get the picture. If you take a more "Holistic" view, every strike was tacticaly and Strategicaly important for the domino effect to occur.
Very good post K9Kiwi but it will do no good, syscom is stubborn and will not admit that he is wrong.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
LMFAO, and with that, kiwi has hit the nail on the head...
You should take a read on the Beer thread kiwi...
You should take a read on the Beer thread kiwi...
Oh boy that thread was painful!
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
We sat there for days trying to convince sys that real beer wasnt spelled BUD and didnt taste like piss...
But alas to no avail...
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/polls/what-best-beer-world-poll-2392.html?highlight=beer
But alas to no avail...
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/polls/what-best-beer-world-poll-2392.html?highlight=beer
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Upon a little researching, I found syscoms first post.... Was he just posturing over the Budweiser to get our panties in a bunch???
One has to wonder....
One has to wonder....
syscom3
Pacific Historian
k9kiwi said:
Youre mixing up the large strategic bombing raids witht he smaller tactical raids
syscom3
Pacific Historian
lesofprimus said:
I can find budweiser anywhere in the world.
syscom3 said:
Thats not the point of his post. Besides if you read what he said and not just what you wanted to read you would see that he was talking about small groups taking out small things at an airfield. Like a small group of planes taking out the POL or the mechanics or what not.
But again you only read what you want to read because that is how blind you are.
syscom3 said:
And I can find real and good beer anywhere in the world as well, and no matter where you find your Bud in the world it is crap!
Beer.
Is said as SPEIGHTS with a reverent tone to the voice in decent kiwi households.
www.speights.co.nz
Try walking into most liquor outlets in New Zealand and asking for a "Bud".
Your most common response will be. "Sorry mate, we sell Beer here."
Is said as SPEIGHTS with a reverent tone to the voice in decent kiwi households.
www.speights.co.nz
Try walking into most liquor outlets in New Zealand and asking for a "Bud".
Your most common response will be. "Sorry mate, we sell Beer here."
syscom3
Pacific Historian
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Youre so emotional about it.
No I just have a real taste for beer, you are ignorant to the matter.
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