Admiral Beez
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Have post-war Russian made tanks ever had success, no matter how used?
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Have post-war Russian made tanks ever had success, no matter how used?MBTs still have their place, if used properly.
I'm sure there are several instances, but the one that comes to mind, is the tank battle in southern Iran back in '81, during the Iran-Iraq war.Have post-war Russian made tanks ever had success, no matter how used?
I have to go by memory, I'm having a hell of a time looking at stuff on this phone with one eye (see the "what annoyed you today" thread as to why), but Iraq had launched an offensive into southern Iran and Iranian elements tried to refuse the incursion with disastrous results.That's correct. Which shows it's a lot to do with how they are used. That doesn't say much for the Russian tactical training.
Chieftan vs. T-55 and T-64 is akin to a Tiger II vs. M4 Shermans. If numbers are similar it should have been no contest.The Iranian army lost between 100 and 200 Chieftan and M60 tanks due partly to trying to move through marshes but
they were mainly up against T-55 and T-64 tanks so had they known what they were doing they would have done better.
Iraq lost between 40 and 50 tanks.
IIRC at the time more or less the entire officer and NCO ranks of the previous Shah regime had fled or being forced to leave the Iranian armed Forces.Chieftan vs. T-55 and T-64 is akin to a Tiger II vs. M4 Shermans. If numbers are similar it should have been no contest.
So that picture then becomes "A Ukrainian soldier stands next to abandoned Russian T-92".Russia has nationalized Renault's Moscow factory. Here's the next Russian tanks…
Your caption is doubtful, as rarely would a Ukranian solder get a chance to pose by a Russian tank before a Ukranian farmer has towed it awaySo that picture then becomes "A Ukrainian soldier stands next to abandoned Russian T-92".
True. Therefore it will beYour caption is doubtful, as rarely would a Ukranian solder get a chance to pose by a Russian tank before a Ukranian farmer has towed it away
That works!True. Therefore it will be
"Ukrainian soldier waiting to help hook up an abandoned T-92 when the JD removal battalion arrives."
If memo serves correctly, The Iraqi unit was the 10th Independent Armoured Brigade, armed with T-72s.There were also those tank battles in desert storm where the Abrams would take on soviet takes and obliterate them.
The M60 2000 was just what you were looking for. An M60A3 hull with an M1A1 turret on it, new tracks/suspension, new gen diesel engine and and an APU. It was built & tested and no one wanted it. If we hadn't turned all of our M60 hulls into reefs or hard targets it might still be a viable project today.Considering the way Russian armor has been used, uprated M60A3s might still be viable.
The M60 2000 was just what you were looking for. An M60A3 hull with an M1A1 turret on it, new tracks/suspension, new gen diesel engine and and an APU. It was built & tested and no one wanted it. If we hadn't turned all of our M60 hulls into reefs or hard targets it might still be a viable project today.
Such bodges are for poor or desperate nations. If the world's foremost economic and military power needs MBTs they should make them, rather than periodically threatening to close their sole tank factory. And if M1A1 turrets are available in some storehouse, upgrade and install them into new M1A2 hulls.The M60 2000 was just what you were looking for. An M60A3 hull with an M1A1 turret on it…