TBM Avenger forced water landing.

[GrauGeist]

As far as the value of the TBM, there are about 80 (or more) worldwide versus about 8 (or so) TBFs.

There's no question that we should try and preserve our history as much as possible, but the TBM is more common than the Bf109.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Which came first, his rant or the FAA's report?

The preliminary FAA report IIRC, unfortunately I can't find it.

 

[GrauGeist]

The preliminary FAA report IIRC, unfortunately I can't find it.

Then the points in his rant aren't original observations and he's just making noise...

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Then the points in his rant aren't original observations and he's just making noise...

He always does

 

[GrauGeist]

Agreed.

To be honest, I'd rather watch paint dry than sit through an entire vid...

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Found the report - looks like the NTSB made this an incident. The report coincides with some of our friends remarks but I think there was some obvious embellishment. Bold is mine...

THE ACFT MADE A GEAR UP FORCED LDG IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN ADJACENT TO A BEACH AT PATRICK SPACE FORCE BASE (KCOF) AFTER THE PIC DECLARED AN EMERGENCY TO THE COCOA BEACH AIRSHOW AIR BOSS. THE SOLE-OCCUPANT PIC WAS NOT INJURED AND HE EGRESSED THE ACFT AND GOT TO SHORE SHORTLY AFTERWARD. NO PERSONS ON THE BEACH OR IN THE WATER WERE REPORTED INJURED. DAMAGE TO THE ACFT FROM THE WATER LDG APPEARED TO BE MINOR. SHORTLY BEFORE THE MISHAP, THE ACFT WAS BEGINNING TO PERFORM RACE TRACK PATTERNS AROUND THE AIRSHOW AEROBATIC BOX WITH OTHER WARBIRDS AS PART OF THE AIRSHOW. THE AIR BOSS NOTICED THAT THE ACFT ENGINE WAS EMITTING SMOKE DURING THE INITIAL OVERHEAD PASS, AND HE NOTIFIED THE PIC BY RADIO. THE PIC ELECTED TO COMPLETE THE FIRST PATTERN THEN PROCEED BACK TO THE ACFT HOME BASE AT TIX. THE ENGINE BEGAN TO RUN ROUGH AS THE PATTERN WAS COMPLETED, AND THE PIC ELECTED TO HEAD SOUTH ALONG THE COASTLINE TO LAND AT KCOF LOCATED ABOUT 6 MILES SOUTH OF AIRSHOW CENTER. AS THE ACFT NEARED KCOF, THE PIC DECLARED AN EMERGENCY. HE REPTD THAT HIS ENGINE BEGAN RAPIDLY LOSING POWER AS TURNED RT TOWARD THE RWY SO HE TURNED BACK TO PARALLELING THE COASTLINE FOR A WATER LDG. THE ACFT TOUCHED DOWN SMOOTHLY IN LIGHT SURF APPROX 50 FT FROM SHORE, IN AN OPEN WATER AREA BETWEEN SEVERAL BYSTANDERS IN THE WATER AND ON THE BEACH. NO INJURIES TO PERSONS ON THE GROUND WERE REPORTED. THE FAA IIC OF THE AIRSHOW INTERVIEWED THE PIC VIA PHONE SHORTLY AFTER THE MISHAP WHILE THE PIC WAS STILL AT THE SCENE: THE PIC RPTD THAT OIL TEMP AND PRESSURE WERE BOTH IN THE GREEN AND GOOD DURING THE FLT, AND THAT THE ENGINE ONLY BEGAN RUNNING ROUGH AFTER DEPARTURE FROM THE AEROBATIC BOX. THE ENGINE POWER CONTINUED TO DETERIORATE AS THE ACFT HEADED SOUTH TOWARDS KCOF AND THE MANIFOLD PRESSURE WAS CONTINUOUSLY FLUCTUATING. THE PIC TURNED THE ACFT AWAY FROM THE ARPT AND LANDED IN THE SURF WHEN THE ENGINE COMPLETELY LOST POWER.

https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:18::🇳🇴:AP_BRIEF_RPT_VAR:20210417001269I

 

[FLYBOYJ]

I thought I saw another report that was a bit more critical of the entire event. To be honest, if I was flying a vintage warbird in an airshow and got a radio call from the air boss that my aircraft was smoking, I would have landed immediately

 

[XBe02Drvr]

FlyboyJ: Putting it gently, DG is not well thought of in the pilot world....

Whoa, if everything this man says is true, what the hell are those people thinking? I've seen kids modding their Hondas, Subarus, etc in their home garage working in a more professional manner.

If it wasn't for the fact that the FAA also mentioned some of the same stuff, I would cast this off as another typical DG hack job.

DG sure has the "pompous ass" act down to a fine art, and he sure is hard to take sometimes, but in this one I think he's spot on. The warbird world's optics in the public eye leave a lot to be desired. I prefer Scott Purdue over at Flywire.
If you had a million dollar B24 with a load of passengers on airshow day with a sick oil transfer pump and a guy in a pilot uniform showed up with a replacement pump in hand and said he was an A&P and offered to install it for you, would you let him into your toolbox and let him do it without checking his credentials? I was that guy, and Collings was the B24 operator, and nobody asked to see my license. The boss guy gave me the key to the tool chest and a step ladder and said "Pump's in the portside main wheelwell. B nuts to 45 foot pounds, safety wire's in the chest, don't do the final twist 'til I inspect it. Get crackin', clock's a runnin'." At the time I didn't think much of it, but in light of the revelations from Nine Oh Nine's demise, I should have seen a red flag there. I never would have seen anything so casual at the airline shop I worked at.

 

[BlackSheep]

DG sure has the "pompous ass" act down to a fine art, and he sure is hard to take sometimes, but in this one I think he's spot on. The warbird world's optics in the public eye leave a lot to be desired. I prefer Scott Purdue over at Flywire.
If you had a million dollar B24 with a load of passengers on airshow day with a sick oil transfer pump and a guy in a pilot uniform showed up with a replacement pump in hand and said he was an A&P and offered to install it for you, would you let him into your toolbox and let him do it without checking his credentials? I was that guy, and Collings was the B24 operator, and nobody asked to see my license. The boss guy gave me the key to the tool chest and a step ladder and said "Pump's in the portside main wheelwell. B nuts to 45 foot pounds, safety wire's in the chest, don't do the final twist 'til I inspect it. Get crackin', clock's a runnin'." At the time I didn't think much of it, but in light of the revelations from Nine Oh Nine's demise, I should have seen a red flag there. I never would have seen anything so casual at the airline shop I worked at.

Being the "troubleshooter type" with an elephant's memory, I've always been one of those guys eager to dive into a problem, BUT as a Federal employee, I had to become a "follow the checklist" kind of guy. Following checklists, especially for a guy like me, was a discipline to master and once I did, it has saved my rear many a time, my ego on the other hand lol.

 

[BlackSheep]

He always does

As someone new to this aspect of the scene, is he as bad as you guys make him sound?

 

[SaparotRob]

As someone new to this aspect of the scene, is he as bad as you guys make him sound?

Must be. Shortround6 didn't correct them.

 

[cvairwerks]

As someone new to this aspect of the scene, is he as bad as you guys make him sound?

For comparison, look at a video of an accident that he does, then watch Juan Browne's (blancolirio) that covers the same accident.

 

[Snautzer01]

FlyboyJ: Putting it gently, DG is not well thought of in the pilot world....

Snautzer: It would be hard to justify spending well over a million bucks to rebuild that TBM, when you could replace it for about a third of that dollar figure, and be flying immediately. If it had some significant historical connection, then maybe it would be worth it. Anything that has been in shallow saltwater and then allowed to dry, is already under a severe assault by the corrosion process. To be reasonably rebuildable, they would have had to start flushing the airframe within hours of the recovery. Salt and sand coupled with shallow and warm water set up the corrosion process in a hurry. Sadly, I would bet that if you walked up to the hulk right now, you could flake off lots of aluminum and push your finger through skins with little pressure.

Thats what i said, it is repairable. If its smart is a different discussion. That is what i dont like at that statement.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

As someone new to this aspect of the scene, is he as bad as you guys make him sound?

Delta suspends jailed pilot

Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane.

www.ajc.com

Is Dan Gryder the biggest asset to aviation on youtube?

He's at it again. This guy is just a treasure trove of anti-authoritarian nonsense and dangerous behavior. Threatening to run over the police and then demanding they refill his DC3. He's a gift that keeps on giving. https://www.regulations.gov/document/FAA-2009-0281-0017...

www.pilotsofamerica.com

I'll just put these here, you can determine for yourself

 

[BiffF15]

Delta suspends jailed pilot

Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane.

www.ajc.com

Is Dan Gryder the biggest asset to aviation on youtube?

He's at it again. This guy is just a treasure trove of anti-authoritarian nonsense and dangerous behavior. Threatening to run over the police and then demanding they refill his DC3. He's a gift that keeps on giving. https://www.regulations.gov/document/FAA-2009-0281-0017...

www.pilotsofamerica.com

I'll just put these here, you can determine for yourself

Wow.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

For comparison, look at a video of an accident that he does, then watch Juan Browne's (blancolirio) that covers the same accident.

...or Scott Purdue over at Flywire. He's even more professional at it than Juan.