CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
"Vivisected"..thats is a strong word.
Here a clip of a Mustang striking back , bouncing some Bf-109G6-r6
It need Divx
Here a clip of a Mustang striking back , bouncing some Bf-109G6-r6
It need Divx
The Best Bf - 109 Variant ?
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I have those shots. You posted edited versions though. I have the complete combat film recorded.
They show different Bf109s; the allied pilot missed the first Bf109, the second one takes a pounding and goes down.
As I have said here, footage showing allied fighters shooting down German planes is quite common if not the rule. You know, there you have those allied documentals, mingling guncamera shots of German fighters getting shot down along with a dramatic voice of the narrator telling the audience "how easy the Luftwaffe got outclassed and defeated".
Curiously you never get to see footage of allied fighters getting shot down.
You mostly get to see a few over-repeated shots of heavy bombers getting torn apart by German interceptors over and over again.
Frankly speaking, it was not until I bought me my stuff that I first saw Mustangs, P-47s and P-38s getting chewed by German fighters.
From those shots I have learned both the USA and England have manipulated and distorted the information big time. Their fighters were by no means "infinitely" superior to the German machines.
Yes, vivisected is quite an adequate term to describe the job German pilots did with a good number of USAAF fighters.
They show different Bf109s; the allied pilot missed the first Bf109, the second one takes a pounding and goes down.
As I have said here, footage showing allied fighters shooting down German planes is quite common if not the rule. You know, there you have those allied documentals, mingling guncamera shots of German fighters getting shot down along with a dramatic voice of the narrator telling the audience "how easy the Luftwaffe got outclassed and defeated".
Curiously you never get to see footage of allied fighters getting shot down.
You mostly get to see a few over-repeated shots of heavy bombers getting torn apart by German interceptors over and over again.
Frankly speaking, it was not until I bought me my stuff that I first saw Mustangs, P-47s and P-38s getting chewed by German fighters.
From those shots I have learned both the USA and England have manipulated and distorted the information big time. Their fighters were by no means "infinitely" superior to the German machines.
Yes, vivisected is quite an adequate term to describe the job German pilots did with a good number of USAAF fighters.
I would not say that they were infinitely superior to Luftwaffe aircraft, however the P-51, Spitfire, P-38 and many others were just as good or even outclassed some aircraft completely. That is not to say that the Luftwaffe did not have great aircraft either.
The later Me-109's say G and above were great aircraft but they did start to lose way in maneaverability.
Orcourse naturally there were other aircraft also such as the Fw-190's. All aircraft whether the Me-109, Fw-190, Spitfire, P-51, or P-38 all had there weaknesses and there stengths. Some were better then others but either way they were all great aircraft and made a major contribution to the way we look at military aviation.
My favorite aircraft personally is the Me-109G-6 however I would not say it was the best aircraft of the war.
The later Me-109's say G and above were great aircraft but they did start to lose way in maneaverability.
Orcourse naturally there were other aircraft also such as the Fw-190's. All aircraft whether the Me-109, Fw-190, Spitfire, P-51, or P-38 all had there weaknesses and there stengths. Some were better then others but either way they were all great aircraft and made a major contribution to the way we look at military aviation.
My favorite aircraft personally is the Me-109G-6 however I would not say it was the best aircraft of the war.
Der Adler:
Did you know the Spitfire as well began losing maneuverability as it evolved through its many variants?
Curiously, the British hardly ever mention the Spitfire also lost maneuverability as it got fitted with bigger and more powerful engines and sets of weapons!! They hardly mention this fact Der Adler.
So the fact the Bf109 saw its maneuverability affected to some degree throughout the evolution of its several variants is nothing to be surprised of.
The Bf109 G-6 might not be the best fighter, but one of the bests of the war.
My favorite, and one of the greatest of all fighters of the war, is the Bf109 G-10.
Did you know the Spitfire as well began losing maneuverability as it evolved through its many variants?
Curiously, the British hardly ever mention the Spitfire also lost maneuverability as it got fitted with bigger and more powerful engines and sets of weapons!! They hardly mention this fact Der Adler.
So the fact the Bf109 saw its maneuverability affected to some degree throughout the evolution of its several variants is nothing to be surprised of.
The Bf109 G-6 might not be the best fighter, but one of the bests of the war.
My favorite, and one of the greatest of all fighters of the war, is the Bf109 G-10.
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My favourite Fighter is a toss up between the Fw-190 A and D, I love them.
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Major General
Ooooo this is shocking. Why dont you like the A?
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Major General
Theyre both nice IMO 8) I think the Dora looks better but id rather be in and A-8 
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CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Talking about firepower.... a very interesting rudder marks of Bf-109G-2 from Jg-77 in North Afrika.
The pilot is Hauptmann Waldemar Huy.
Who say the Messer can`t bombing?
The pilot is Hauptmann Waldemar Huy.
Who say the Messer can`t bombing?
Erich
the old Sage
geez guys take the Fw 190 and start another thread......
I doubt with all due resepct that Huy scored any ship kills, they would need cross checking for sure with the British archiv's of ship losses. have found that Fw 200 Kondor equipped on anti-ship duties with KG 40 racked up quite a ship tally only to find that at least 1/2 of the ships attacked and proported sunk were indeed damaged and made it back to port.
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I doubt with all due resepct that Huy scored any ship kills, they would need cross checking for sure with the British archiv's of ship losses. have found that Fw 200 Kondor equipped on anti-ship duties with KG 40 racked up quite a ship tally only to find that at least 1/2 of the ships attacked and proported sunk were indeed damaged and made it back to port.
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CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
I guess that he used the SC-250 for balancing the plane.
Another rudded Killing marks. This is a Bf-109F-2 owned by Hans Phillip, showing his multinational tally.
It included aircraft shotdown in Poland, France, England, yugoslavia and Russia. Time of the picture september 1941.
Phillip was Kia in October 1943 with 206 confirmed kills.
A nice drawing of the pilot.
Another rudded Killing marks. This is a Bf-109F-2 owned by Hans Phillip, showing his multinational tally.
It included aircraft shotdown in Poland, France, England, yugoslavia and Russia. Time of the picture september 1941.
Phillip was Kia in October 1943 with 206 confirmed kills.
A nice drawing of the pilot.
Erich
the old Sage
dropping bombs on a ship does not necessarily mean it was sunk........if you follow my thought
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Looking at the ship markings on the rudder of Huy's 109, it can be seen that all but 1 (a destroyer ??) were small ships.
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