The Falklands

[CharlesBronson]

Some images of the British AAA defenses in San Carlos strait "bomb alley".

Bofors 40mm.

Rapier in the shore

Sea Cat shot

MAG 7,62mm

Even the FAL was used, look this.

All this trown agaist the captain Marcos Carballo and Ensign Carlos Rinke, 25 may 1982.

Clik here

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2955/a4ataqueaz8.jpg

 

[pbfoot]

Just a little personal tale about that period I was in the CAF and was sent on a course to US Navy Millington Tennesee for a course . We stayed off base in a lovely Ramada but commuted in everyday our uniforms made us a stand out and we were constantly saluted and being AirForce NCO's this made us very nervous. We were always asked what we were doing there in the US . The standard answer was that we driving to South America to help the Brits and this was a pit stop

 

[CharlesBronson]

Some Argentine aircraft pictures.

A-4 flight refuelling. a single 454 kg bomb is the warload.

Mirage V in the way to the target , 21th may.

Dassault Super Etendar:

Dawn in San julian.

250kg bomb below Mirage V.

 

[CharlesBronson]

Commando Battalion 601 Blow pipe section in action, 21th may 1982.

Flt Lt William Glover of the RAF picked up off the water . His aircraft was hit by the british made missile.

The wreck of the Harrier GR 3.

 

[polebell]

Gentlemen, There have recently been two articles in aircraft magazines "celebrating" the 25th anniversary of the conflict.

Airforces Monthly May 2007

Falklands 25 years on: The Royal Navy's darkest day

Aircraft Illustrated Vol 40 No 5

The fight for 'Las Malvinas'
Sea Harrier at war
25 years on

Some articles are written by UK pilots and others by Argentinean pilots so there is good balance.

Without wanting to become embroiled in political turmoil I was in the UK at the time and from memory there was some talk after the event that the war was an election winner for Margaret Thatcher who (again from memory) was in some degree of political trouble prior to the war, and was unlikely to win the next election. Post the war she gained huge public support and went on to become re-elected. It should be easy enough to check on anyway.

Great site, colorful characters, educational – Keep it up. Cheers and beers from down under.

 

[polebell]

Make that 4 articles, it's late here!!!

 

[trackend]

Gentlemen, There have recently been two articles in aircraft magazines "celebrating" the 25th anniversary of the conflict.

Post the war she gained huge public support and went on to become re-elected. It should be easy enough to check on anyway.

True. but not from or by me, I couldn't stand the woman, bloody nightmare old cow

 

[Woods]

Hi all! My first post here. I've been sitting back reading for some time now. There is sure a lot of good stuff on this forum. This thread caught my eye.
I remember some of what went on then. As I remember,the Argintines did a bang up job. And I believe (my opinion) if it were not for the U.S.A. things might have turned out quite different.

 

[rogthedodge]

@ trackend

Agreed!

Bizarrely Callaghan avoided a Falklands war through a swift military and diplomatic response, got no credit and lost the election.

Thatch pretty much provoked the war through ridiculous decisions and it enshrined her destiny.

No justice!

 

[CharlesBronson]

Without wanting to become embroiled in political turmoil I was in the UK at the time and from memory there was some talk after the event that the war was an election winner for Margaret Thatcher who (again from memory) was in some degree of political trouble prior to the war, and was unlikely to win the next election. Post the war she gained huge public support and went on to become re-elected. It should be easy enough to check on anyway.

I dont going to get involved in politics either, but I think that both countries had enough reasons to get involved into the war.

Argentina had because it was regaining a territory perceived as own.

UK had because it was defending a territory under his jurisdiction.

As native of this land I firmly believe, moreover I am convinced that the Argentine reasons for war were by far more legitime than the british ones.

 

[trackend]

You said you did'nt want to get involved in politics then straight away do just that. Its pretty obvious CB how you stand, your favourite subject is The Falklands you do tend to make it sound like it was a much larger conflict than it was, perhaps because Argentine has'nt been in any wars outside its own boarders for yonks ,fair enough.
But I stand elsewhere, I don't decry any of the service personnel involved they did their duty and 907 very sadly lost their lives however it was a small conflict and I believe avoidable hence my total dislike of Thatcher and Galtieri.

 

[Graeme]

I believe avoidable .

I expressed the same opinion while working as a junior draughtsman in the Dept. of Defence in 1982.

I was nearly lynched by the senior draughtsmen.

In no uncertain terms it was explained to me that if the Commonwealth could get involved it would mean "more overtime-more money", as experienced during the Vietnam conflict.

Sad.

 

[CharlesBronson]

You said you did'nt want to get involved in politics then straight away do just that. Its pretty obvious CB how you stand.

I am expressing my opinion, if mi opinion is politically loaded sorry but that is.

your favourite subject is The Falklands you do tend to make it sound like it was a much larger conflict than it was, perhaps because Argentine has'nt been in any wars outside its own boarders for yonks ,fair enough.

It is not my intention to make it larger or smaller, my intention is to post here pictures that I am pretty sure nobody never saw outside Argentina.

The images that most people had saw about this war is the HMS Antelope exploding and some Argentine soldiers surrendering.

That was all? ...well, I dont think so.

But I stand elsewhere, I don't decry any of the service personnel involved they did their duty and 907 very sadly lost their lives however it was a small conflict and I believe avoidable hence my total dislike of Thatcher and Galtieri

Smaller than Irak ? More avoidable that Irak? hmmmmm.

 

[The Basket]

The Falkland Islanders consider themselves British and that is that.

I have no probs with CB standing up for his country and feeling pride for some of the achievements of his armed forces. The pilots were as brave as brave can be.

If he continues to post articles and pix from his side then it will give a more balanced view on the whole conflict.

 

[Glider]

Personally I believe that this thread has been an example of how things should be undertaken.
Politics have been kept out of it and the communications have been kept to the facts. Indeed there have been a number of entries where CB and others have presented the position as they have seen it and by comparing both sides of the point in question, a better understanding has arisen for all participants.
Give and take has taken place with good grace and no one has been blind to the facts or dogmatic.

As the driving force behind the thread, I believe that CB deserves a lot of credit for this.

 

[comiso90]

I remember some of what went on then. As I remember,the Argintines did a bang up job. And I believe (my opinion) if it were not for the U.S.A. things might have turned out quite different.

I have to ask... What in your opinion did the US contribute?

I think the Brits got some Vulcan spare parts out of a US museum...

The General Belgrano used to be the USS Phoenix which survived Pearl Harbor. (It's odd to think that the English torpedeod a pearl Harbor survivor!)

 

[comiso90]

Since no air to air refuelings of the
Vulcan had been carried out since 1967, many of the fuel
probes of the aircraft had deteriorated. In fact, some
spare parts had to be retrieved from museum aircraft
throughout the world.

The Falkland Islands Conflict, 1982: Air Defense Of The Fleet

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[trackend]

Smaller than Irak ? More avoidable that Irak? hmmmmm.

Of course it was smaller than Iraq, military death toll alone is currently just on 4000.

 

[CharlesBronson]

Of course it was smaller than Iraq, military death toll alone is currently just on 4000.

Sorry to hear that, but I think tha the material losses of UK were bigger in 1982

The Falkland Islanders consider themselves British and that is that.

I have no probs with CB standing up for his country and feeling pride for some of the achievements of his armed forces. The pilots were as brave as brave can be.

If he continues to post articles and pix from his side then it will give a more balanced view on the whole conflict.

The fact is that I dont need to feel proud of ashamed in order to post, everything is history and I Insist...I am pretty sure that there was several pics and information that nobody knows until I ve posted that, nationalism or personal prouds asides.

Personally I believe that this thread has been an example of how things should be undertaken.
Politics have been kept out of it and the communications have been kept to the facts. Indeed there have been a number of entries where CB and others have presented the position as they have seen it and by comparing both sides of the point in question, a better understanding has arisen for all participants.
Give and take has taken place with good grace and no one has been blind to the facts or dogmatic.

As the driving force behind the thread, I believe that CB deserves a lot of credit for this

Thanks, there is some idiocy posted in the pages 4 and 5, but nothing of that is mine.

The number of lectures in this topic (the bigger of the entire "Modern" section) seems to confirm your toughs.

 

[Woods]

I have to ask... What in your opinion did the US contribute?

I think the Brits got some Vulcan spare parts out of a US museum...

The General Belgrano used to be the USS Phoenix which survived Pearl Harbor. (It's odd to think that the English torpedeod a pearl Harbor survivor!)

The U.S.A. Navy and Air force. Once again...the United States bailed 'merry old England' (again)out of a jam. Without U.S.A. Naval and air support, the Brits would have been blown away. Hmm.. WW1,WW2. And here.