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Please elaborate"great difficulty in escaping it."
Training, tactics, training, tactics, as with the P-38. BTW a common tactic by most if not ALL fighter pilots (except those very green) was to fly a zig-zag course, never fly straight and level and always keep your head on a swivel. The number of engines the fighter had made no difference.The trick with the Mossie was keeping the speed high and lots of changes in course to prevent interception
The high rpm, low boost cruise may have increased the oil temperature, as the mechanical losses would have been greater and the fuel economy worse than with low rpm, high boost.
The Mosquito didn't have a speed advantage over the Fw 190 or the Bf 109G, so if these fighters did manage a successful bounce the Mosquito had great difficulty in getting away.Please elaborate
Boy, I think most of us have seen books with less info than this thread!
Just want to share an illuminating document that turned up when researching Forgotten Fifteenth:
Col. Obie Taylor rebuilt the 14th FG after the N Africa doledrums. He said that he never stopped learning about the 38, and that a newbie needed about 50% more transition time in a 38 than a s/e fighter, "but after that he could be nearly unbeatable."
The 15th's three P-38 groups did little escort after the Ploesti campaign (c. Aug 44) and most flew bombing-strafing missions til VE. Two of them (1st and 14th?) scored only about 4 kills in that time.
And again, this shows that tactics and training was the key with regards to flying twin engine fighters - see aboveThe Mosquito didn't have a speed advantage over the Fw 190 or the Bf 109G, so if these fighters did manage a successful bounce the Mosquito had great difficulty in getting away.
This is why when the Mosquito bombers were first introduced in 1942 and used on long range penetration flights into Germany the loss rate was 16%, better tactics and modifications to increase it's speed reduced the loss after a while to around 8% before these long range daylight raids into Germany ended in mid 43 and they transitioned to night attacks.
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Probably not the best use of the AAF's limited resources IMO.
I agree with Tomo, however, in point 3, I need to address this portion:Good post...
The Wfr.Gr.21 and R4M were not used as extensively as was the 30mm cannon....ANY escort fighter would have forced the withdrawal of twin engined interceptors and upgunned/rocket tube armed 109s and 190s. And the 109 and 190 had only enough fuel for about one pass at the bombers before they had to retire for more fuel.
All I'm saying is, those twins and rocket firing single engined planes were doing major damage.I agree with Tomo, however, in point 3, I need to address this portion:
The Wfr.Gr.21 and R4M were not used as extensively as was the 30mm cannon.
It was much more typical to have the Bf109 flying top cover while the heavier armed types (Bf110, Me410, Fw190A-8, etc.) attacked the bombers. And the presence of Allied fighter escort didn't deter the Luftwaffe's attacks.
In regards to limited fuel, only the Me163 and Me262 had short fuel windows for engagement - particularly the Me163, which had roughly 7 minutes of fuel. The Me262 had roughly 80 minutes cruise or 30 minutes of combat.
The piston-engined types had a much better fuel window and often times, they were flying from very local fields that lay in the bomber's paths.
All I'm saying is, those twins and rocket firing single engined planes were doing major damage.
ANY escort fighter will force their withdrawal since their performance is degraded.
Then the LW has to fight "fair", and intercept with interceptors not destroyers.
P-38s were valuable in the ETO, I'm just saying they were not twice as good since they were twice the price and suffered delayed combat introduction.
My point about delayed combat introduction is that they didn't get into combat AT ALL until the end of '42.They suffered delayed combat introduction in Europe because all available P-38s were going to the Med, Indo-China and Pacific. The 55th fighter group was the first fighter group to perform escort missions in NW Europe and that started in October of 1943, roughly 8 weeks before P-51s start flying escort missions. The actual planes are P-38H's.
I don't think anybody is saying they were twice as good.
In late 1943 the plane to compare to is the P-47 which equipped 7 fighter groups at the time the 55th became operational. P-47s had no paddle blade props and no water injection at this time (and wings were not plumbed for drop tanks). Things changed a lot in the next 4 months.
Not strictly true, even in context with fact that the AAF was just getting started in late 1942 in ETO and MTO. The 1st, 14th started combat ops in ETO August 1942 (1st) and October (14th) and 78th FG was on the way. Africa stripped the P-38 FG's from 8th AF and from that point until Blitz Week through Schweinfurt that 8th AF realized it was in deep trouble for un-escorted deep penetrations and Arnold approved emergency re-deployment of 55th FG and re-routed 20th and 364th to join the 55th.My point about delayed combat introduction is that they didn't get into combat AT ALL until the end of '42.
Good post, but this:
AAF's resources were more than suitable to sustain production, use and maintenance of the P-38s.
Warfare is not "fair" - each side will always escelate with new threat upgrades. The side that overpowers their enemy is the winner.All I'm saying is, those twins and rocket firing single engined planes were doing major damage.
ANY escort fighter will force their withdrawal since their performance is degraded.
Then the LW has to fight "fair", and intercept with interceptors not destroyers.
P-38s were valuable in the ETO, I'm just saying they were not twice as good since they were twice the price and suffered delayed combat introduction.
They were still finite. Removing the P-38 from production may permit increased production of equally effective, less expensive aircraft. It's not guaranteed, as Lockheed, for one, may not be able to produce Mustangs or Thunderbolts.