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Except your assumption that the C-47 transports were flying the Hump is completely wrong. Not every transport was flying the Hump. Many of the squadrons, especially the RAF ones, were keeping the troops on the front line supplied or even moving them into the area around Imphal (5th Indian Div from the Arakan). On 28 March 81 Squadron had moved to Tulihal, just south east of Imphal. That was the great thing about the Burma campaigns. The troops relied on air supply.I am not quite as unfamiliar with the geography as you seem to assume, but the fighting involving Spitfires took a few different patterns. I wasn't pulling that comment out of my ass.
As far as I could determine, the Spit VIII was used to escort bombers such as on raids into Burma, and notably, escorting transport aircraft flying 'The Hump', and they got into a couple of large-ish engagements that way. For example on 25 April 1944 64th Sentai Ki-43s attacked C-47s escorted by Spitfires from 81 Sqn RAF. The Troop Carrier Command lost 5 C-47s, 81 Sqn claimed one Ki-43. I assume those were Spitfire Mk VIII, and this seems to be confirmed in your post here
The Spit Vs seem to show up mainly defending their own air bases and nearby towns (i.e. in India), such as during a raid on 21 Feb 1944 when 204th Sentai engaged 136 Sqn Spitfire MK Vs over Kaladan and shot down two (claiming 8) plus 1 No 6 Sqn IAF Hurricane, for no loss. No 136 Sqn did not convert to Mk VIII until the next month so I assume these were Spit Vs.
On a similar raid against on 13 March, a large force of Ki-43s from 204 and 64th Sentais faced just four 81 Sqn RAF Spitfires, shooting down one but losing one to Aussie pilot Flg Off Larry Cronin. This shows a much better result from what I assume to be Spitfire Mk VIII.
It's hard to be certain of types because this author and a couple of other books I have usually don't indicate which type of Spitfire they are talking about, and don't always give the unit. But from the unit numbers I did check, that seemed to be the general pattern.
Except your assumption that the C-47 transports were flying the Hump is completely wrong. Not every transport was flying the Hump. Many of the squadrons, especially the RAF ones, were keeping the troops on the front line supplied or even moving them into the area around Imphal (5th Indian Div from the Arakan). On 28 March 81 Squadron had moved to Tulihal, just south east of Imphal.
From Bloody Shambles Vol 3 for 25 April 1944
"Eight Spitfires had been scrambled by 81 squadron at 0725, intercepting 30 plus south east of Palel, while 8 more fighters from 615 squadron also took off but failed to see anything. 81 squadron engaged, Flt Lt 'Bats' Krohn (JG348) claiming three Ki 43s damaged, Flg Ogg Don Rathwell (JG333) one destroyed, Lt White (JG196) one damaged and Flt Sgt B.E> Young, RNZAF (JF698), one probable and one damaged. Krohn's Spitfire was slightly damaged when he was pursued by four of the japanese fighters.
The interceptions by both the Spitfires and the P-38s had not, however, prevented the raiders inflicting considerable damagee on this occasion. Dakotas of 62 squadron had commenced flying supplies to Sapam at first light. The first pair to arrive,FD952 'N'flown by Flg Off C.R. Porter, and FL602 'X', flown by Flt Sgt E.J. Winters, had been unloaded and had taken off to return to their base, but were intercepted and shot down 60 miles south-west of Imphal with the loss of both crews.
More Dakotas from 194 squadron were also flying into the area, and that flown by Wt Off T Grynkieswicz, a Polish pilot, also failed to arrive He had left Agartala at 0710 in KG462 'F', and undoubtedly also fell victim to the Japanese fighters. Troop Carrier Command reported the loss the loss of five aircraft in total in the Imphal area on this date, and it is believed that the other two were USAAF C-47s. two claims for transport aircraft shot down were made by Capt Hiroshi Tagkiguchi of the 204th Sentai."
62 was based at Comilla which is south east of what is now Dhaka and north west of Chittagong. 194 was based at Agartala due east of Dhaka and north of Comilla.
At the time Troop Carrier Command was controlled by ACSEA and comprised 4 RAF Dakota squadrons and the 443rd TCG USAAF. The primary role for these units was the support of 14th Army in the field (RAF) and Stilwell's Chinese troops pushing into northern Burma (443rd). The 443rd was based at Sylhet, India (due west of Imphal). Only when not needed for that did the 443rd fly the Hump, and until spring 1945 that primary role kept them busy.
Control of transport operations over the Hump was a separate activity controlled by US Air Transport Command with C-46, C-47, C-54, C-87 and C-109 aircraft.
Some additional information hereThanks, I have a lot of this but did not have 348 FG, that fills a gap. Do you have any sources for 18th Fighter Group in the Solomons? I have fragments but I'd like to see a full history of bases and aircraft used.
You might want to listen to Dan Carlin podcast Hardcore History, "Supernova In The East". He delves into the why.it's crazy some individual squadrons in that unit were flying three different aircraft types simultaneously - 70 FS for example flew P-39, then got some P-38s, and then gradually transitioned to P-40F. Scary how they had a couple of pilots captured and then executed. Japanese military was really over the top, it never ceases to amaze me how mean they were.
You might want to listen to Dan Carlin podcast Hardcore History, "Supernova In The East". He delves into the why.
You can see from that list how many losses were just to accidents, maintenance problems, navigation problems, weather, and just 'unknown'. Many aircraft were seen to fly into a cloud and were just never heard from again. Some crashed on mountains and made harrowing journeys back to friendly lines, often losing half or more along the way.
Same over Darwin, approx 26 were lost in combat but overall 117 were destroyed, most from weather or accidents, many were lost after hitting tree'sYou can see from that list how many losses were just to accidents, maintenance problems, navigation problems, weather, and just 'unknown'. Many aircraft were seen to fly into a cloud and were just never heard from again. Some crashed on mountains and made harrowing journeys back to friendly lines, often losing half or more along the way.
Unfortunately not. RAAF Beauforts were equipped with junk American Mk13 torpedos with the same abysmal failure rate as experienced by the USN.RAAF Bomber units - 100 RAAF (Beauforts, with British torpedoes**), 22 RAF Boston,
** Due to the British torpedoes these Beauforts were the most deadly long range ship killers in the Allied force