UK Teachers to stop teaching the Holocaust...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

but i still can't believe it. The UK denying the holocaust
That is cold however this is even colder

Please before you just go and jump into a discussion please read all the posts (atleast the 1st post that starts the discussion).

The UK is not denying the Holocaust and never has. The discussion is about TEACHERS refusing to teach the Holocaust because they do not want to offend the Muslims.

 

[Aussie1001]

he he opps (cower in corner)
Still it is cold how are you kids going to learn about a regime that killed millions of jews if they're teachers do tell them. I mean how many kids these days are interested in it ?
And weather we like it or not sooner or later all the vets that freed the extermination camps are going to be off to a better life. My grandfather served in WW2 and he is now over 80 in 20 years time i expect him to be long gone so how are a new generation going to learn about it.
Though apprantly the BBC has daily documentries on slogging the Nazis so maybe there is a hope.
By the way i heard from one of my teachers that when the pomes are going against the germans in Soccer (or football as you call it) the british supporters have a chant that goes like this
Two world wars and one world cup heh heh heh

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Two world wars and one world cup heh heh heh

Yeap and then the German fans chant back about how England has only won one World Cup where as Germany as won 3....

(and modern technology has shown that the goal that England scored that took the game to over time was not actually a goal and Germany should have one it fair and square 1-0)

Okay lets get back on topic here....

 

[Emac44]

Yeap and then the German fans chant back about how England has only won one World Cup where as Germany as won 3....

(and modern technology has shown that the goal that England scored that took the game to over time was not actually a goal and Germany should have one it fair and square 1-0)

Okay lets get back on topic here....

Oh hell Adler if you are going to debate bloody Soccer Games from 1966. Next we will get the Kiwis in going on about Greg Chappell and under arm bowling in cricket. Sorry Adler that is a regional Aussie Kiwi debate mate

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Fine by me, its all in fun.

 

[Aussie1001]

Oh hell Adler if you are going to debate bloody Soccer Games from 1966. Next we will get the Kiwis in going on about Greg Chappell and under arm bowling in cricket. Sorry Adler that is a regional Aussie Kiwi debate mate

heh heh heh
hear hear

 

[drgondog]

When will this madness end...

When you and me, and our kids and our friends and out acquaintences and our`teachers and our politicians say STOP! Enough is enough. Reverse the trendy political correctness and remember that blunt honesty is far better than kissing ass.

 

[Emac44]

When you and me, and our kids and our friends and out acquaintences and our`teachers and our politicians say STOP! Enough is enough. Reverse the trendy political correctness and remember that blunt honesty is far better than kissing ass.

Because if you used straight forward blunt honesty. You would hurt their tender little hearts and cause them all sorts of distress and bed wetting problems late at night Drgon. We can't as a society allow that to occur. Chinese laundry having to clean constantly Muslim bed sheets and do gooders Kaftans. Imagine the effect on the enviroment with the extra use of detergents being pumped into the local river system via sewage from all that loosened piss from upset Muslims and their do Gooder companions at night with the extra bed wetting going on mate. Poor little mites mate, have some sympathy because I BLOODY DON"T and you will have to make up for me the lack of sympathy I have for these bloody arseholes

 

[Konigstiger205]

Emac44 you are so right....like I said before if I or any of us would live in a Muslim country I doubt they would care if we were offend by something in their history or culture....

 

[Lucky13]

Haven't fully read this thread, I'll do that before I post anything. I just wanted to say that this reminds me of something that I read last year I think. I think that it was somewhere down south of the border (England) , that it was a town where some of the officials wanted to change the street names, because they could be offending to some people. Which were the street names they wanted to change you might wonder? Lancaster, Halifax, Stirling, Wellington and few others, just because they're "bomber" names....
What has the world come to?

 

[Catch22]

Haven't fully read this thread, I'll do that before I post anything. I just wanted to say that this reminds me of something that I read last year I think. I think that it was somewhere down south of the border (England) , that it was a town where some of the officials wanted to change the street names, because they could be offending to some people. Which were the street names they wanted to change you might wonder? Lancaster, Halifax, Stirling, Wellington and few others, just because they're "bomber" names....
What has the world come to?

That's ridiculous! It's the country's bloody history! Look, as a Canadian, I take pride in our multiculturalism. We should treat everybody equally. If you don't, you run into something like WW2. But it's supposed to be equal! But the Muslems want us to cater to their every wish. But they should get equality. Not special treatment. I have no issue in Sikhs wearing Turbans on the job as a police officer (they do it here too), but I do take exception to the fact that they are allowed to carry knives to school. I don't care what you want to wear, but your religious practices should stay in your house, or your church/mosque, w/e.

 

[Aussie1001]

Emac you might be able to back this up 'cause i'm not 100% certain but i'm fairly sure that there was a movement a while back to change the name of the Fairy Penguine because they thought it might be offending the gays....

 

[Heinz]

Unfortunately most are missing the point, even in this thread.

This sort of history seems to be seen as something kids 'should learn about.

Truth of the matter is kids 'need' to learn about it.

Australian schooling system is pathetic in regards to history and war. No offence to the Americans but seem to cover more topics about your country than ours. Thanks to my already keen reading and historical interests I sought out my own info.

A number of people in my family have served in WW1, WW2 and in peace time.

The general consensis is no one seems to give a rats over all.

This depresses me but also alarms me to the fact if we forget we do not learn. If we don';t learn the same mistakes will repeat.

Respect is disappearing at an alarming rate, however by the people in this forum and others it does show there is still enough people to care and carry the legacy on.

Cheers

 

[Hop]

Yeap and then the German fans chant back about how England has only won one World Cup where as Germany as won 3....

(and modern technology has shown that the goal that England scored that took the game to over time was not actually a goal and Germany should have one it fair and square 1-0)

Whilst it really pains me to defend the England football team, the controversial goal was England's third.

Germany scored first, England then got 2 clear goals. Germany then got an equaliser in the final minute of normal time. This was a bit controversial, as England claimed a German player had handled the ball.

The match then went in to extra time. England scored the controversial goal after about 10 minutes, then scored again right at the end of extra time, taking the score to 4 - 2.

So even without the disputed goal, the match would have played out the same, although of course having a lead for about 20 minutes of extra time might have given England more confidence.

As to Holocaust education, it is a compulsory subject for ages 13-14 in British schools. What the original press story didn't make clear was that this school dropped the Holocaust as a subject for pupils over the age of 14. At 14 children drop some subjects and specialise in others, history is one of those that many drop, with only about a third studying it from 14 onwards.

The Holocaust Educational Trust has some facts on the case, which they put forward because of the inaccurate media speculation:
The Holocaust Educational Trust

When reading stories from the British newspapers, it's important to realise that the story they report isn't quite the same as the truth, because fiction is a bit more interesting, and can sell more newspapers.

One school choosing not to select the Holocaust as an optional subject for older children, whilst still teaching it to children up to the age of 14, isn't quite as good a story as "schools to stop teaching Holocaust".

 

[Emac44]

Emac you might be able to back this up 'cause i'm not 100% certain but i'm fairly sure that there was a movement a while back to change the name of the Fairy Penguine because they thought it might be offending the gays....

Sorry Aussie can't help you with that one. But it wouldn't surpirse me. I mean to say how would the average Fairey Penguin feel mate being associated with the Gay MartiGrae in Sydney each year. Hell where are the Fairey Penguins rights mate to live a normal life free from discrmination with gays and lesbians making a mockery of Fairey Penguin lifestyle and choices with a street parade down the streets of Sydney. I SAY WE STRIKE FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE FAIREY PENGUIN AND WE DO IT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE

 

[david johnson]

i do not care if they are upset or not. their s*** stinks like everyone else's.
they are exhibiting no decency toward the blind, etc., and must never be coddled to.
their freedom of religion in the usa does not include putting others at risk. that blind person may need to get to the pharmacist via cab.

dj

 

[majorwoody10]

ive often seen sihks in public places but have never seen a sign of a knife ,are these knives large like a bowie kife or can they carrie a small swiss army knife in their pocket and still be kosher?

 

[Maestro]

Here is the standard size of a kirpan (some can be bigger, some smaller).

Note : The kid pictured is the one who sued the Canadian gouvernment for not allowing him to bear his knife in school.

 

[mkloby]

We had some sikhs in our school growing up - none packed steel.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Knifes dont belong in school. Ceremonial or not...