United States Aircraft Markings
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Sure looks like it.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Sure looks black, but is it possible that it's Army "OD"?
The USAAF had quite a few (as the OA-12) in service.
The USAAF had quite a few (as the OA-12) in service.
buffnut453
Captain
I'd have gone with black. The colour of the prop blades looks to closely match that of the airframe.
We all know the story of the gloss black finish on P-61 Black Widows. I wonder why Douglas P-70 night fighters did not go to gloss black? Even the B-29s over Japan appear to have used dull black. I guess the P-82 (F-82) twin Mustangs were gloss though. Has anyone info on an official order for gloss black for night camo?
Hi Maxrobot,
It was all a matter of timing. Flat black was the earlier camouflage. This was then found to be no better than Neutral Gray, so the standard camouflage became OD over gray in autumn 1943. Further testing proved that overall Jet Black (like patent leather glossy) was the ultimate, so later P-61s, P-82 NFs, and all night bombers (including those B-29s) were glossy black. There were even a few P-70B NF trainers in Jet black.
Cheers,
Dana
It was all a matter of timing. Flat black was the earlier camouflage. This was then found to be no better than Neutral Gray, so the standard camouflage became OD over gray in autumn 1943. Further testing proved that overall Jet Black (like patent leather glossy) was the ultimate, so later P-61s, P-82 NFs, and all night bombers (including those B-29s) were glossy black. There were even a few P-70B NF trainers in Jet black.
Cheers,
Dana
buffnut453
Captain
Just loving the lack of health & safety in this photo. No mask despite what probably would probably be considered toxic paint by today's standards. Then again, this was the 1940s and they were applying 1940s knowledge and procedures.
The gloss black lacquer "jet 622" appears on P61C
Before end 1944, P61A & B was painted with black enamel "Wiblack".
The gloss black Jet 622 finish was applied only on aircraft those primary mission was conducted by night.
P70 was antecedent to Jet 622 and B29 was not specific night bomber.
Note, on ac already paint in black dull finish, the jet 622 was not necessary applied on upper surface,
so it is difficult to see on the pics the difference of these two shade on P70 or P61.
Before end 1944, P61A & B was painted with black enamel "Wiblack".
The gloss black Jet 622 finish was applied only on aircraft those primary mission was conducted by night.
P70 was antecedent to Jet 622 and B29 was not specific night bomber.
Note, on ac already paint in black dull finish, the jet 622 was not necessary applied on upper surface,
so it is difficult to see on the pics the difference of these two shade on P70 or P61.
Hi Waroff,
Are you certain that Wiblack wasn't a commercial name for ANA 622 Jet? The October 1944 tests and orders called for a special jet black that was subsequently designated ANA 622.
Cheers,
Dana
PlasticHero
Senior Airman
Interesting short vid about why bare metal aircraft had different colored metal panels and that unpainted (at least B-17s) were a few mph slower and less range than painted. It implies that B-29s didn't suffer so much because they were constructed with much smoother panel joints and riveting.
Question - Did USN yellow wing utility aircraft have wing chevrons? Did they have the colored cowls of three-plane sections ? I ask because I want my model of the Grumman Duck to be accurate. it is painted in the markings of I-J-23 VJ-1 1939 in Hawaii. the Curtiss Hawk is for comparison.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Nice!
The JV-1 paited the tail with the green FS 14187 (ANA503) Willow Green. For the JF-1 , the wooden "nose" of the main float was painted of the same green colour. The JF-2 of the unit don't seem to have the float front painted. The metal parts of the plane were painted with the light grey colour while parts covered with a fabric silver. If there were the section markings ... I didn't find any pics of the JV-1 Ducks with the kind of markings. The only shot of the I-J-23 is below .. but it seems it was taken at the mid of the 30'.
the source: the net.
