Walter Nowotny Bf 109F-2, F-4?

[Lucky13]

What's the meaning of the "13" in the green heart?

I imagine that this is the correct colours for his machine, being 3./JG 54?

Plus, could this one be used for this bird? I suspect that it isn't much of a difference between an F-4 and a F-4 Trop, or?

 

[Wurger]

The external difference between the F-4 and F-4 trop would be the oil radiator size. The F-4 trop had it more deep ( larger ) like the F-4/Z. Certainly the F-4 didn't have the trop filter at the supercharger air intake mounted. It has to be checked on the Nowotny's Friedrich and find what type the air intake was of. The early one and the late had the different shape. The trop filter required the later air intake to be mounted. Also I would check on the prop.

 

[Lucky13]

Always the wealth of information my friend!
Would the Werk Nummer be helpful to find that out?

 

[Lucky13]

"Wrong" scale!

 

[Wurger]

Would the Werk Nummer be helpful to find that out?

Sure. at least we could find out if it was the F-2 or F-4.

Look here ... the Asisbiz.com says that's the Novotny's F-2 and once they say it's the White 8 while the another time the "Yellow 8" ... but if you get a close up view at the digit "8" you may notice the different tone than the white of the Balkenkreuz. Also the "8" has the black outline. Undoubtely it is the same plane "Yellow 8"with the Green Herz and "13" in it also seen in your post. What is more the bottom pic shows the early air intake to the supercharger.

But what about this shot ? ... no number "13" in the Green Herz emblem. The air intake seems to be of the later shape. But again the Asisbiz says F-2 "White 8".

 

[Lucky13]

Doesn't it also show a different antenna wire and windscreen, or is it just me?

 

[Wurger]

Doesn't it also show a different antenna wire and windscreen, or is it just me?

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You are right my friend. Although it looks like the antenna is the same variant ,the Bf 109 in the bottom pic has the external armour including the front bullet-proof glass.

 

[Lucky13]

But, one has the windows at the bottom and one doesn't....

 

[Wurger]

Just as I said ... it is the additional armour ( plates that covered the bottom windows )

 

[Lucky13]

Just as I said ... it is the additional armour ( plates that covered the bottom windows )

Aaaaahh....I've always thought that the armour only protected the windscreen itself!
I guess that when you beef up your windscreen, you add armour plating to those small windows at the same time?

 

[Wurger]

Actually you are right , the armour only protected the windscreen itself. The longer I look at the pic the more I'm convinced that it is the Gustav but not the Friedrich.

 

[Lucky13]

Actually you are right , the armour only protected the windscreen itself. The longer I look at the pic the more I'm convinced that it is the Gustav but not the Friedrich.

The top being the Friedrich and bottom the Gustav, or the other way around?

 

[Wurger]

The top is the Friedrich and the bottom one the Gustav.

 

[Lucky13]

Walter Nowotny's Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2 1.JG54 "Black 1", WNr 10360, at Rjelbitzy, Russia 11th Aug 1942.

 

[fubar57]

What's the meaning of the "13" in the green heart?

 

[Wurger]

Walter Nowotny's Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2 1.JG54 "Black 1", WNr 10360, at Rjelbitzy, Russia 11th Aug 1942.

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Yes . IMHO that's the kite we can see in the bottom pic of the post #6.

 

[Wurger]

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[Lucky13]

 

[Engineman]

I think centre pic Post #5 is Bf 109 F-2.
I think bottom pic post #5 is a Bf 109 G-1 (with the solid head armour and triangular widows it it's top corners.

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[Engineman]

Also, post #14 seems to have the same G-1 type head armour but, if it is 10360, that is listed in an Erla built batch of G-2. So, possibly the hinged canopy frame is G-1 fitted
to a G-2.

Eng