Shadar_Logoth
Airman
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- May 30, 2005
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simply, is a frenchmanThe guy who wrote that article is an idiot
me-262 said:they must be gratefull that today they do not speak german, thanks to the usa
FLYBOYJ said:If Hartman was a liar, why did the Russians put a 10,000 ruble price on his head? Why did local VVS units label his aircraft "The Black Devil," why did the Russians imprison him after the war and try to charge him for the deaths of close to 500,000 Soviet citizens? Hardly the treatment for an 80 kill ace. And as mentioned, his wingmen confirmed 90% of his kills. How can someone make such an outrageous statement just boggles my mind! The guy who wrote that article is an idiot, I bet never served in an air force and never flew or worked around an aircraft. An "armchair" historian who sits on his brains!
the lancaster kicks ass said:me-262 said:they must be gratefull that today they do not speak german, thanks to the usa
oh god you don't honestly believe that do you??
The W-Allies had a comparable confirmation system to the German one, but a little less strict by comparison.
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the problem with the american system it that they alowed share victories and count the one in the ground as a kill, in strafing raids
the lacaster kicks ass said:i don't want to go down this raod again, the last moron that came here with that atitude got kicked off........
me262 said:there is the problem: do you think the goverment is going to allow us to search in the secrets file they have, i.e. the british gov have some files regarding the hunt of the bismarck and they will be declasified in 20 to 30 years more , why ? are they hiding something they do not want us to know?
also how we civilians can check that?
even here with the freedom of speach and search, we are limited to the info we can gatter
if i can remember well, it was not only the wingman to support the claim also it needed to find the wreck site to confirm me kill
FLYBOYJ said:If Hartman was a liar, why did the Russians put a 10,000 ruble price on his head? Why did local VVS units label his aircraft "The Black Devil," why did the Russians imprison him after the war and try to charge him for the deaths of close to 500,000 Soviet citizens? Hardly the treatment for an 80 kill ace. And as mentioned, his wingmen confirmed 90% of his kills. How can someone make such an outrageous statement just boggles my mind! The guy who wrote that article is an idiot, I bet never served in an air force and never flew or worked around an aircraft. An "armchair" historian who sits on his brains!