You are, cause that right there is a lie
No, there isn't, thats' a fact.
I've read it, and its pure bull**** (Excuse me).
But you obviously didnt read the article I presented you, wich proves just how big a liar Khazanov is, and how worthless his article on this subject is !
Here, I present you it again, now read it very carefully:
http://members.aol.com/falkeeins/Sturmgruppen/hartmannclaims.html
See... He cant even get the numbers right !
Yes, I have read it, but it only showns opinion, not data, so, is so true as Pope divinity, you believe or not. So, show me any evidence that Khazanov lies or, if you can't, at least leave a bit for the doubt.
Russian loss records are not open to the public, period. And even if they were they werent worth anything, as the Russians didnt bother writing losses up in any detailed way, wich is why their loss archives are notoriously inaccurate.
You should add "those inferior russians"
. Why do you afirm that ? any evidence again?. NO, you haven't, so, stop assume things that are not true. Every plane is taken account by any Air Force, vvs included. IF there is a mission with 30 IL2 and only get back 10, those numbers are taken account.
The Russians no doubt lost more men than any other country in the war, meaning it cost them the most in men and material as a single country, but, the combined casualties of the W-Allies and damage inflicted on Germany by them, more than makes up for that.
And Germany loses were about 70% in East front, 30% rest of the fronts. Russia lost 9 million soldiers (27 million people with civilians), Germany near 7 million soldiers.
Let me put it like this: That data is "WRONG", and your also forgetting so many things i don't even bother mentioning them as it would take ages.
I have time, beguin. That data is TRUE, every historian knows it, every good historian, I mean. Live with it, wetern fron only afected Germany in a 30%, included Africa. Yo do not need t investigate so much to get that data.
Again your totally forgetting the German point of view ! If the Germans were only fighting the Soviets wich only had Britain as help, the Soviets wouldn't stand a chance !
Think about it, if the U.S. werent involved the Germans were free of daily mass bombing raids, and two BIG fronts ! More than enough to secure a sure victory in the east without doubt !
No, the German point of view is very similar, they know that they lost the war in Soviet Union, you should read some survivors.
Bombings raids? Are you talking of Bombing Raids?. Germany produced more planes, tanks and other military components in 1944 that any of the other year. and remember, first GErman defeat was in 1941, near Moscow. No War with USA then.
The problem with Germany was a bad strategy from the beguinning, in that way, they woulkd never defeat Soviet Union, the same as Napoleon.
7 million soldiers !!! Laughing You really dont know your numbers !
Here's the facts:
During WW2 German casualties were: 3.25 million Soldiers dead.(75-80% Eastern front) / 2.44 million Civilian dead. Total= 5.29 million. (Even the Total number isnt even close to your highly exaggerated number !)
Russian casualties: 12-13 million Soldiers dead. / 17 million civilian dead. Total= 29-30 million.
W-Allied casualties: 1.67 million Soldiers dead. / 6.44 milllion civilian dead. Total= 7.11 million.
Now may I ask, where did you get those outrages loss figures of yours ?
In any case you might as well stop it Shadar, cause your so horribly wrong about this subject !
Your facts, not THE facts, it's a difference.
Russian soldiers were "only" 9 millions, not 12
Not only Germans fighted in Soviet Union, Axis forces included Rumanians, Hungarians, Italians... But you say:
"During WW2 German casualties were: 3.25 million Soldiers dead.(75-80% Eastern front)". It's enough for me
75-80% lost in East Front. That is a fact.
During WW2 the Germans had the most accurate and most strict confirmation system in the world.
That's a MYTH and that was not true, only german lovers say that. Propaganda Nazi was the most powerful in the war. They used a more accurate system in Western front, but EVERY country overclaim his victorys, and GErman much more than Allies, as you can see in BoB. Tell me how they could confirm a victory in East Front fighting behind enemy lines, Who confirmed shoot down at land?. NOBODY. You have to believe Hartmann word, and his wingman, of course friends. Show me any credible data about that, any Luftwaffe documentation about that accurate system with Hartmann. MYTHS, MYTHS and more MYTHS
The Russians had a confirmation system which was one of the very worst in the world, being only equaled by the Japanese system !
Another MYTH, russians were killed for lie, Stalin and NKVDA were not the guys whi liked pilots lying about his victorys. You forget that VVS claims were over own terrytor mainly, they see the plane fall.
Of course in this theme always the same, Russian were inferior (like Nazis thought), German superior, russians were lyers, German men of Honor... blablabla.
Demonstrate that, show me evidences and I will believe you.
