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Thanks VBF much appreciated. Gotta respect Old Crows knowledge on this subject. he really is encyclopedic on this issue. Doesnt mean we have to agree with everything, and i dont, but I still have great respect for the man and the knowledge he has.
I say the same thing, give the guy a break. In the weeks following Pearl, we had our hands full. The Japanese were taking everything in the South Pacific from Hong Kong to Manila, and that remote Island, strategically, was but a stopping-off point for us, a stepping-stone. As a matter of fact, what did the Japanese get out of it? Nothing. It's tragic to let any of our bases go without support, but let's get a perspective.
Crow, the Saratoga and the Wasp opened the Battle of the Eastern Solomons. That would be 24 August (Japanese spotted, 23 August). One of those squadrons even sank a carrier, the Ryuja. I believe all three of our carriers took on fuel just weeks prior to that, during the Savo Island catastrophe. That must be what you're referring to. That would be 9 August. We were landing at Guadalcanal. We withdrew our carriers and the force we left to protect the landing operations got smashed.I believe Wake was primarily a refueling stop for China Clipper flying boats and B-17s enroute to the PI before December 7, As I understand it, Wake became part of the IJ ribbon defensive line or buffer. It provided a base for recon out to ~600 mile radius. That's probably at least a day' to a day and a half warning for a task force approaching IJ controlled territory at ~20 knots. With interior lines, Japan might be able to respond to incursions from fleet units staging from its forward bases. During Midway, Wake provided the unbrella under which IJN units could retreat and expect some protection from its own air. IIRC, that radius provided a limit for the daylight pursuit by USN CV units.
Like some of the other cases of disatisfaction, it wasn't clear from the records that Fletcher made any mistakes but his progress was slower than anticipated (for reasons) and he was criticized for dawdling, spending too much time refueling his escorts. This became a common complaint among the "experts" criticizing his performance in a number of his major fleet actions, espcially Eastern Solomons where he released Wasp to refuel just before the battle. With Wasp, the USN might have bagged one of the big IJN flight decks.
Crow, the Saratoga and the Wasp opened the Battle of the Eastern Solomons. That would be 24 August (Japanese spotted, 23 August). One of those squadrons even sank a carrier, the Ryuja. I believe all three of our carriers took on fuel just weeks prior to that, during the Savo Island catastrophe. That must be what you're referring to. That would be 9 August. We were landing at Guadalcanal. We withdrew our carriers and the force we left to protect the landing operations got smashed.
Crow, something is seriously ajar in our accounts of the Battle of the Eastern Solomons. Let's see if we can't use this opportunity to try and rectify that. My account has an August 24th deployment of aircraft from the Saratoga and the Wasp against the Japanese fleet and the Enterprise and her escorts simply defending against an assault while said deployments were in progress. I even have a photograph of the deck of the Wasp during said deployments, showing aircraft in the air, too, but that I can't show, right now, as I'm nowhere near my scanner. My understanding is that the Enterprise didn't get anything off its deck offensively in that Battle. Only the Saratoga and the Wasp did that. My source for that is Battle Stations (Wise Co., N.Y., 1946). That source has been by my side since I was a kid, and I've seen it credited, a lot (even by Lundstrom, I believe). Here's the caption under the photograph (it's reproduced, in part). Let's figure this out. See what your sources make of this account:VB, Check six. Wasp had been sent to refuel. Enterprise was Sara's consort during Eastern Solomons and she got hammered by Vals (3 hits) during the exchange. The Lundstrom article above cites both refuelings which were about 2 weeks apart (gives you an idea how fast those suckers burn the black gold). In between which the carriers did a lot of ops burning oil awaiting the arrival of the IJN counterattack which arrived as you say on the 24th. Here is CV-6 afire after the hits.
Crow, something is seriously ajar in our accounts of the Battle of the Eastern Solomons. Let's see if we can't use this opportunity to try and rectify that. My account has an August 24th deployment of aircraft from the Saratoga and the Wasp against the Japanese fleet and the Enterprise and her escorts simply defending against an assault while said deployments were in progress. I even have a photograph of the deck of the Wasp during said deployments, showing aircraft in the air, too, but that I can't show, right now, as I'm nowhere near my scanner. My understanding is that the Enterprise didn't get anything off its deck offensively in that Battle. Only the Saratoga and the Wasp did that. My source for that is Battle Stations (Wise Co., N.Y., 1946). That source has been by my side since I was a kid, and I've seen it credited, a lot (even by Lundstrom, I believe). Here's the caption under the photograph (it's reproduced, in part). Let's figure this out. See what your sources make of this account:
"On the morning of August 23, 1942, a reconnaissance plane sighted a Japanese transport group, loaded with reinforcements for the Solomon Islands area. During the night our combined force moved North and contact was made the next morning. In the afternoon of the 24th, planes from the Saratoga and Wasp bombed an aircraft carrier and in addition damaged a cruiser and a destroyer. While these attacks were in progress, a flight of about 75 Japanese planes attacked the Enterprise and her escort ships and inflicted some damage on the Enterprise."
Here is Lundstrom's first analysis of Fletcher's performance at Guadalcanal. This article in Naval History was published 14 years prior to the publication of his book "Black Shoe Carrier Admiral" It is in two parts:
Frank Jack Fletcher Got a Bum Rap, Part One | U.S. Naval Institute
Francis, this is how I see it. Let's start at the beginning. Pearl. What was that about? It was about getting our carriers. Midway. What was that about? It was about getting our carriers. In view of that, is it any wonder that, from a strategic standpoint, i.e., a Nimitz standpoint, we're going to want to err on the side of caution? I think not. Now, look at Fletcher. Fletcher, compared to Nimitz, was tactical. He tactically implemented the strategy. That was his job. His tactics had to be within the parameters of the strategy. Thus, he gets the heat. Somebody show me where Nimitz told Fletcher throw caution to the wind in your tactical imperatives, and I'll eat those words."I think hius service record and lack of success did that"
With respect, I do not share your views on Fletcher's "lack of success". He fought the battle of Coral Sea and won (even he Lexington was lost). He fought the battle of Midway and won decisively. He fought the battle of Eastern Solomon and won. He was responsible for the loss of 6 Japanese carriers. I think nobody could have done better.
Best,
Francis Marliere