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Mike I have to apologize to you. It just frustrates the hell out of me when people want to argue art/music that comes down to personal opinion and taste.
Chris, none ever needed but deeply appreciated. There are a number of things that you and I will never see eye to eye on.
Plato described the human soul as having three parts—intelligence, emotions, and appetites. Anger belongs to the middle category of the emotions and is considered a "passion" because it is something we "suffer," i.e., that happens to us without our free deliberation and consent. Plato (and the Western tradition after him) believed that the lifelong struggle for the human person is to gain control of passions like anger. In a famous passage in the Phaedrus, Plato likens the intellective part of the soul to a charioteer who must reign in the two horses of the emotions and the appetites.When people get angry when we disagree with them, it is a sign that they have not yet reigned in that passion of anger.
The personal opinions and tastes here are the genre list you provided. What I posted were definitions and not my opinions. Imprecise vocabulary and "general usage" terms stand at the root of this debate. So call it what you will, but...
The elements of music (without getting too complex) are Rhythm, Melody, Harmony, Color/Texture.
Rhythm, yes most certainly, is present in spades, but you can't seriously contend that that mono-tonal growling is any note on the musical scale nor is any melody present as by definition a melody must have an organized series of pitches. Harmony?? also absent as you must have pitches to combine them into chords. Color/Texture?? also absent since again you must have a number of melodies to relate them one to another.
When the former leader of Panama, Manuel Noriega, was taking refuge from US forces at the home of the papal nuncio in Panama City, the Americans blasted heavy metal at the opera-loving general. The New York Times reported that Noriega, exhausted and tormented by the deafening heavy metal music that troops were playing, surrendered on 4 January 1990.
fan of WWII era Big Band,
Big Band Swing is my type of music.
40s channel on the satellite radio going in my grader right now "Percy Faith"
isten to" a summer place theme"
It doesn't get any better !
In that case, I ask that you point out my errors and wherein I depart from a Definition into an Opinion. Yes, it is indeed it is my OPINION that Amon and his "Raise your Horns" is not music. As proof I quote the definition of MUSIC and find it lacking on three points.
If there be a melody to that piece it escapes me and I'd sincerely love to hear you Hum or Whistle it.
YOU BETCHA...'Cause it's Music and has all the required elements Rhythm, Melody, Harmony, Texture.
Is it just me that thinks that it's something wrong with todays popular music?
and just like us they must rebel and set themselves apart so the more we don't like it the better they do
I really like both country and religious music. Seldom do I hear the words only the music. This is true with all music. The words to country is mournful.I go by the old saying - If you can whistle it, it is music. If you cant, it is noise. - but I do not like all music (some I cant stand - like any "singer" who shouts or screams)
Clearly by that definition rap and some other modern "music" is noise.
Then again. as far as I am concerned "one size fits all" in many cases is a myth promoted by charlatans (especially in the medical and diet fields).
As for country, some is great but, to me, most is mournful, though not as mournful and dreary as most religious music (most negro spirituals and the like being the big exception there).
I really like both country and religious music. Seldom do I hear the words only the music. This is true with all music. The words to country is mournful.[/QUOE]
When to comes to country I prefer the older stuff like Johny Cash, Merl Haggard more tham the newer kinda rockabilly sounding stuff. Kinda has a simple honest feel to it. Something that's a nice contrast to the too much stuff to do and not enough hours to do it of life these days.
Yep - there probably is a fair amount of truth in that. I remember my father did not like the Beatles until I got the record London Philharmonic plays the Beatles and put that on. He commented it was good to hear me listening to good music - then I showed him the album cover. But then again you could always whistle the Beatles[/QUOTE V
Very illustrative example of how were comfortable with the sound of things we grew up with. Something I find kinda interesting along the same lines is that if you play many hard rock/ heavy metal tunes, either instamental riffs or vocal melodies on an acoustic guitar they will often sound like classical melodies or some other juanra. Coversly many clasical pieces played on electric guitar with lots of overdrive, bass guit, drums etc. can sound verry heavy indeed( the trans siderian orchestra is quite addept at this if anyone cares to hear an example)
Lets be grateful for music. It adds so much to the pleasures of life. There is something for everyone. So choose what you like and enjoy.
Chris, it is my turn to apologize to you and to state publicly that you may indeed be right in the above. I had absolutely no intent to denigrate your tastes in (grudgingly) music. (Kinda like your taste is those cheeses in an earlier posing) I did go back to Amon's track that you posted and really tried to listen with an open (I really tried) mind and for the life of me I cannot discern a melody, BUT as you posted, MY not hearing/finding one is not the be all end all of it. So allow me to rephrase my earlier statement: In my OPINION there is no discernable melody and as such in my OPINION it does not qualify to be called music.That or your so fricken close minded that your don't want to hear it.
As long as were on the subject of music just a little suggested listening that I think everyone or at least most might enjoy regardless of ones preferred style. It's a kinda obscure group called Be Bop Deluxe. ( My favorite by the way).
Best album, "Live in the air age". Best tracts, probably "Adventures in a Yorkshire landscape" or "Life in the air age" although the whole album is great in my opinion.
(Wait do people say album anymore?) Guess I'm getting old.I'm not technologically advanced enough yet to post a link but its on you tube if anyone cares to Google it.
Enjoy ( hopefully at least)
Thanks for giving it a listen. Ya that cover on there first album has always been a head scratcher for me. Doesn't match the music at all.I have to admit that with that cover I would never have considered that album to listen to. Not my favourite but very far from unpleasant and a very skilled guitarist.