Civettone
Tech Sergeant
Frantish, no Do 17 with DB 605s?
Kris
Kris
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The Ta 154 was a horrible plane. Flew like a pig and fell apart. Don't think for a second that the bombing of that factory was the reason it never got anywhere.
Kris
no the best NF was the pilot and the crew flying it.
NJG3 tested the Ta 154 and the details on it's performance were quite dismal the same can be said when the I. gruppe tested the He 219 they were not interested in the Uhu and kept flying the Ju 88G-6
well lets see moon on a moonlit night. fires on the earth below sets up silhouette of bombers of NF's for that matter and in the case of the LW when radar was jammed even the versions of the FuG 220d set up you used your eyes and they were still effective
In a word, yesAre you saying that allowing fires to be lit and waiting for moonlight is part of a fighter defence?
In a word, yes
I'm not sure what you mean by 'allowing fires to be lit' - the conflagration caused by the falling bombs didn't really require any form of permission from its victims.
There is nothing wrong with what you are claiming, the electronics war was on the path it was, well, on; there was no turning back but moonlight and 'back-lighting', in WWII, were accepted methods of acquisition, even late in the war.
WellThe fires caused by bombing is what the fighter is supposed to be preventing,
I thought we were discussing the best night fighter not the worst case scenario where pilots reverted to methods used in WW1.
Well
as the saying went, "the bomber will always get through"
We were and we still are, we deviated off-topic again, at your behest, to address your reservations concerning the use of moonlight and back-lighting.
no the best NF was the pilot and the crew flying it.
NJG3 tested the Ta 154 and the details on it's performance were quite dismal the same can be said when the I. gruppe tested the He 219 they were not interested in the Uhu and kept flying the Ju 88G-6
Where to start? Achieved 700 kmh? With what engines? Night fighters don't need to be manoeuvrable, but stable. The two are opposites. Tank planes more agile? The Fw 190 wasnt more agile than the Bf 109. There is nothing else to compare. Other aircraft are not comparable. I have never heard that Tank made pilot friendly aircraft. I wouldn't even know what that means. Any aircraft would be outstanding with a Jumo 213E.Various sources mention various things about this airplane, but I (want to8)) believe the performance without weapons and antennas was actually pretty good with regards to the relatively weak Jumo 211. The plane achieved about 700 km/h AFAIK. Performance suffered a whopping loss of 10 % with equipment installed.
I'm not sure if it was enough to counter the mosquito threat but, well, the mosquito did not have the extremely drag-inducing "Hirschgeweih" antenna of the german planes.
So as a pure fighter plane, I think it was pretty competitive, much more manoeuverable than the Me 110 (unfortunately I don't remember the source to back this up) which was of similar dimensions and weight.
The Tank planes tend to be more agile than the Messerschmitt planes of similar outline as their wings were much more rugged to provide good torsional stiffness AFAIK.
They were more "pilot's airplanes" as Tank's philosophy was to buid pilot friendly aircraft.
The Messerschmitt designs had the reputation to be unsafe.
The version equipped with with Jumo213E would have been outstanding
But feel free to correct me.
Where to start? Achieved 700 kmh? With what engines? Night fighters don't need to be manoeuvrable, but stable. The two are opposites. Tank planes more agile? The Fw 190 wasnt more agile than the Bf 109. There is nothing else to compare. Other aircraft are not comparable. I have never heard that Tank made pilot friendly aircraft. I wouldn't even know what that means. Any aircraft would be outstanding with a Jumo 213E.
Kris