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Pity the US isn't a colony anymore as we could have ended slavery a generation earlier and the Civil War would probably have been avoided, plus are Americian cousins would now appreciate a nice cuppa instead of that coffee muck.
Has to be Churchill
- Rallied inpspired the country when many (including certain Lords Royals were all for seeking a treaty)
- Helped / convinced FDR that the US had to get involved (ie the isolationists had to be overcome)
- Was prepared to be as brutal as Hitler if required (check out the auxilliary units and our mustard gas plans!)
- Managed to convince FDR that the 'Europe First' strategy was the correct choice
- Saw Stalin for what he was - and disagreed with the FDR/Stalin plans for post-war Europe (particularly Poland) to such an extent he was excluded from the discussions.
All this said FDR was a great man too and played a very astute political game to bring the US into the war / fought the US popular mood and military instinct to concentrate on the Pacific. We owe him a lot.
He capitalized on the Pearl Harbor 'mistake' but I'm not sure what it would have taken otherwise and no amount of political astuteness would have overcome our desire to not be involved in another European War.
Europe probably owes Hirohito and Tojo an eternal debt of gratitude to get us in the fight but you are right about Europe 'first' guidance by FDR and Marshall - neithe had to be convinced
A few points on previous comments:
HMQ a 'hero'? - the Royal Family spent every night in Windsor, hardly in the firing line! OK so she drove a truck and certainly 'did her bit' but 'hero' is a bit OTT
Convoy protection - surprised to see a Canadian not recognise the extraordinary effort by the Canadian Navy on convoy duties (we haven't forgotten!) - visited the last corvette in Halifax harbour last year and nothing but respect for anyone crossing the Atlantic / fighting in that
Marshall plan - great for the occupied / defeated but the UK was excluded and forced to borrow money at close to market rates - we still owe some £200m on the post-war loan!
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C/o Pedant Towers
I am aware ofr the RCN and it's growth but I was commenting more on the tools of war being supplied by the US prior to 12/41 .How the US prior to 41 in conjunction with Canada built airports that crossed the international boundary landed aircraft on the US side they were towed over the border to Canada so as not to affect nuetrality treatiesConvoy protection - surprised to see a Canadian not recognise the extraordinary effort by the Canadian Navy on convoy duties (we haven't forgotten!) - visited the last corvette in Halifax harbour last year and nothing but respect for anyone crossing the Atlantic / fighting in that
Churchill, Roosvelt and Stalin. They did win the war, you know.
Churchill lost the English 'Empire' After WW2,down the tubesRoosevelt was most likely one of the biggest traitors in American history
Stalin had to have been one of the biggest mass murderer's in history
They won the war and lost the peace.
Churchill lost the English 'Empire' After WW2,down the tubes
Roosevelt was most likely one of the biggest traitors in American history
Stalin had to have been one of the biggest mass murderer's in history
They won the war and lost the peace.
One for three. You got the Stalin part right.
Roosevelt a traitor? WrongThink I know what you're going to say. Don't even bring up the ridiculous "FDR knew the Japs were gonna attack Pearl Harbor" myth.
And YES...I beleive 100% that he knew of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. Pure treason.