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The undercarriage bit, especially, and on the Spitfire, especially. With that thin wing, you would have thought you'd want the fat wheel inboard, on the thickest part of the wing.
Well, we know the Spitfire was designed as a point interceptor, a defensive fighter, so less range, less fuel, less weight, more speed, better rate of climb, etc.
And both were tactical, rather than Strategic weapons. The bomber would always get through (Sir Hugh Trenchard) so no need for escort fighters. Just need masses of short range fighters to shoot down as many bombers as possible of the enemies.
That conflict in thinking has always bothered me.
MY bombers will always get through, so I need no escorts, but I can build fighters so the enemy CAN'T get through with HIS bombers.
Germany too thought of their aircraft TACTICALLY, to safeguard short range medium bombers, with a forward placement of shorter ranged fighters.
I agree, a conundrum m.
The Defiant was developed per an RAF specification, F.9/35 which called out the turret armament. The manufacturer built what the customer requested.Another good why the heck did they design it that way is the Boulton Paul Defiant with no forward facing armament at all. Not that the adition of such would have made it a great plane but maybe at least a ok one although I read they did ultimately find some use intercepting German bombers at night.
The turret could rotate and lock forward with the MGs depressed to a max of about 18 degrees elevation, with the pilot having fire control.Another good why the heck did they design it that way is the Boulton Paul Defiant with no forward facing armament at all. Not that the adition of such would have made it a great plane but maybe at least a ok one although I read they did ultimately find some use intercepting German bombers at night.
Then I guess in all fairness the focus of my bewilderment should be whoever issued RAF specification F.9/35 and not the Boulton Paul Aircraft Company. Maybe it was one of those ideas that looked good on paper but in practice didn't fair so well.The Defiant was developed per an RAF specification, F.9/35 which called out the turret armament. The manufacturer built what the customer requested.
Now there's some new information. I'm sure i have read specifically that the Defiants could not be made to fire forward.The turret could rotate and lock forward with the MGs depressed to a max of about 18 degrees elevation, with the pilot having fire control.
It was not designed as a fighter, it was purely a bomber interceptor with the idea of flying in groups to intercept bomber formations and exchanging fire like in the days of sail, where the ships exchanged broadsides.
Keep in mind that the U.S. Navy had similar aircraft in service, though not fighters, they still had turrets on a single-engine airframe.
Now there's some new information. I'm sure i have read specifically that the Defiants could not be made to fire forward.
I'm sure your correct though. I'm learning alot of the things claimed in a lot of books and websites can be a bit dodgy so to speak. Funny, all these years I've wondered about this obvious oversight and turns out it wasn't the case at all.
Just viewed that link you posted. Now that is interesting ! Thank you.Don't we all know it - how many times a month does someone state that some (or all) Allison powered aircraft did not have superchargers.
The B-P Defiant's pilots notes are at Boulton-Paul Defiant Pilots Notes The diagram on page 18 has the pilots gun firing button on the control grip.
Good point.I don't think that 'the bomber will always get through' was particularly ridiculous until the advent of radar. Until then you had to have standing patrols and you couldn't vector fighters to the target until they were much too close.
Once radar and the control network come in all bets are off. Where forces went wrong is persisting with the belief after it was shown what radar could do for the defender.
Without RADAR things would be radically different. The Chain Home system was about as primitive as it is possible to be and still work adequately. From initial work in 1935 on just seeing if it was possible the CH system (with Chain home low) was just being completed in 1940. Anyones opinion before 1935 or before 1940 who wasn't aware of RADAR was speaking from ignorance. Without RADAR fighters of WW2 would have to mount standing patrols, this is a huge effort with no guarantee of results.MY bombers will always get through, so I need no escorts, but I can build fighters so the enemy CAN'T get through with HIS bombers.
Germany too thought of their aircraft TACTICALLY, to safeguard short range medium bombers, with a forward placement of shorter ranged fighters.
I agree, a conundrum m.
And thanks for the heads up on the book. Looks good and like it might answer quite a few other questions I have about early war and pre war thinking. Several people here have given me some really goog book suggestions. Just got my first delivery of 3 of those yesterday as a matter of fact.
I gotta say, "the bomber will always get through" has to be one of the most misunderstood quotations.
The idea wasn't that bombers would always get through to their targets no matter what the enemy did to defend - it was that no matter how much effort you put into defense, your cities wouldn't escape being bombed.
10-4. Sounds like like it might be useful for understanding the mindset at the time though especially as it relates to some design and tactical decisions that might seem questionable now.It's an interesting read but some of it's main points are outdated. Especially on tactics and armament. Particularly the section on armament, I hate to say it but the section about .50 heavy machine guns is absolute rubbish falling into the usual trap of using the performance of a late war Browning M2 and it's ammo when a 1939 M2 and it's ammo were a completely different beast.
If the RAF were forced back behind London a negotiated peace is not impossible to imagine, some wanted it anyway before the BoB started."The Wehrmacht channel barge will always get through."
10-4. Sounds like like it might be useful for understanding the mindset at the time though especially as it relates to some design and tactical decisions that might seem questionable now.