Your favorite French fighter?

Your favorite French fighter?

  • Morane Saulnier MS 406 series

    Votes: 4 4.8%

  • Bloch MB 150, 151, 152, 155, 157 series

    Votes: 13 15.5%

  • Dewoitine D 520 series

    Votes: 39 46.4%

  • Arsenal VG 33 series

    Votes: 14 16.7%

  • Caudron C 714

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Potez 631 series

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • dewoitine D.510

    Votes: 6 7.1%

  • other?

    Votes: 7 8.3%
  • Total voters
    84

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riacrato said:
That is because individuals may be smart, but people are dumb

Do you think even a fraction of the people can remotely grasp the complexity of a global economy or international currency. Thank god we don't have a direct democracy.
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You are dangerous.
 
davebender said:
And then what?

We could revive the plan for "Greater Britain" which Sir Edward Grey and Colonel House tried so hard to make happen during WWI.
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We have had reservations about the EU EZ for some time.
The EU has become some 'super state' that only the French still want and as for the EZ...an opportunity for some.. and wisely declined by us.

I would be happy with just an EFTA style trade agreement and keep all this federal nonense at arm's lenght.

John
 
Don't forget that French people, like Irish, said no by referundum to Maastricht-Lisboa diktat. But we live in technocracy.
 


True in part... but,democracy has taken a recent kicking in the EU.
John
 
PatCartier said:
Don't forget that French people, like Irish, said no by referundum to Maastricht-Lisboa diktat. But we live in technocracy.
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Then that is another reason to see sense and abandon the EU.
The British are under the distinct impression that the French still hold their 60 year old dream of a Federal Europe close to their heart.
Is that true?
John
 

Yeah okay, you keep on believing that.

I may not be an expert on the matter, but I know enough, nor am I dumb.
 
The last Pan=European trading organisation that worked was the Hanseatic league and that collapsed 400 years ago killed off by Dutch and to a lesser extent English merchants who could offer cheaper freight rates simply because they werent hidebound by Hansa beaurocracy. We dont need to worry about the Euro we need to worry about other trading nations who are not hidebound by the mountain of paperwork every transaction generates for even the smallest deal in Europe. The day of monolithic slow moving organisations is long gone the Eurozone might have worked 30 years ago but is a dead duck in todays fast moving global economy.
 
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Well said. That's what I meant. We need to look at India China now not so much the EU.
EFTA ( European Free Trade Assoc) worked pretty well until '73 when we joined the then EEC.
John
 
That was a good post. And it reflects the current situation in the US too. We have entirely too much oversight by local and federal gov't. It is stifling innovation and industry. Unfortunately, I don't envision peaceful change that will make a difference. We are so far down the path at this point that meaningful change must necessarily be drastic, painful and long lasting. With an economy steeped in social handouts, those people will defend them with violence. I fear for my boys.
 
The politicians are, in many cases, in a deep pocket of men with money.
The men with money produce stuff in China, SE Asia, India, paying the workers there miserably, and then sell stuff in Europe, USA, Japan other 'rich' countries. 'Outsourcing' is the word, and it applies for services, not just the industrial production.
So one thing is to go away. Either legal corruption (= lobbying), or the politicians (but new ones will jump in their seats), or people's well being. Hate to guess what will go.
 

So, both our countries have arrived at the same place after all.
We are told to expect a 'lost decade' as Cameron co endeavor to turn our fortunes around. I think that there is so much beyond our control that it may take a bit longer.
We need to change the basis of our economies and forget all the 'get rich quick' nonsense.
People's attitude has to change too with the work ethic that a lot of East Europeans have and we would do well to copy.
I also share your worries about our children's future.
John
 

'Outsourcing' the scourge of our industry.
Its not just the countries you mention Tomo, the British government 'outsourced' a train building contract to Germany as they were a bit cheaper. Result? 1400 men on the dole. Great decision eh.
John
 
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Well the P-36 was actually an American aircraft, that was used by France. The thread is asking for "French Fighter".

Now having said that, why don't you explain why you think that it was the best, instead of just posting the aircraft and that's it. Kind of defeats the purpose of a forum not to have a discussion about it, right...?
 
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