Nonskimmer
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I don't think there's really such a thing as ramble on this site.
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No sometimes we get off topic and ramble. But its all in fun.
Erich
the old Sage
alrightie then ! 8)
Klaus Neumann came from IV.Sturm/JG 3. Yep U guessed it a SturmFw pilot of incredible skill. A bomber killer for sure in every sense of the word. An able leader he first led the 2./JG 51 transferred into IV.Sturm/JG 3 with their Fw's with red markings the 2nd staffel alter becoming 16.Sturm/JG 3 and Klaus being one of the able staffelfuhrers in the staffel. Klaus was pulled out of the Sturm staffel into JV 44, which probably saved his life as he only spent little time on the Me 262 and got in very few missions. After the war, dejected and ashamed of his military career and died in obscurity in an old run-down rest home in central Germany. The man had a huge photo-album of measurable proportions and he was talked out of the photos by who knows who never to be seen again.............in vain I tried to contact the man through letter twice and found out that he had moved to another facility and then passed away.
Klaus Neumann came from IV.Sturm/JG 3. Yep U guessed it a SturmFw pilot of incredible skill. A bomber killer for sure in every sense of the word. An able leader he first led the 2./JG 51 transferred into IV.Sturm/JG 3 with their Fw's with red markings the 2nd staffel alter becoming 16.Sturm/JG 3 and Klaus being one of the able staffelfuhrers in the staffel. Klaus was pulled out of the Sturm staffel into JV 44, which probably saved his life as he only spent little time on the Me 262 and got in very few missions. After the war, dejected and ashamed of his military career and died in obscurity in an old run-down rest home in central Germany. The man had a huge photo-album of measurable proportions and he was talked out of the photos by who knows who never to be seen again.............in vain I tried to contact the man through letter twice and found out that he had moved to another facility and then passed away.
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That sucks I bet those photos would have been amazing to see.
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lesofprimus
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Too true...
I love you sig, that is an all time classic line
the lancaster kicks ass
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it's a very nice pic.............
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
TY....
I wish I could remember what I wanted to post in this damn thread earlier today. I am going to die trying to remember it.
the lancaster kicks ass
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now there's a trick.............
Erich
the old Sage
back from the Docs...........oooooooh how fun that was
ok if my hands will work
another mention of Sachsenberg. A notble ace finished up with the Dora protection staffel for Galland Circus-JV 44. Sachs did not like the 262 as he felt the a/c was just way too fast for him and his liking. Sachsenberg Schwarme or Würger staffel, also known incorrectly ast he Papagei staffel flew distinctive Doras with yellow tipped spinners and red/white stripes under the wings for recognition. also printed in old Germanic Schrift were catchy little personal sayings. The stafel of about 4-5 a/c claimed possibly 1 P-47 in southern German by Klaus Faber.
here is apic in front of Röte 3. Sachsenberg is second from the right in the Lederkombination
ok if my hands will work
another mention of Sachsenberg. A notble ace finished up with the Dora protection staffel for Galland Circus-JV 44. Sachs did not like the 262 as he felt the a/c was just way too fast for him and his liking. Sachsenberg Schwarme or Würger staffel, also known incorrectly ast he Papagei staffel flew distinctive Doras with yellow tipped spinners and red/white stripes under the wings for recognition. also printed in old Germanic Schrift were catchy little personal sayings. The stafel of about 4-5 a/c claimed possibly 1 P-47 in southern German by Klaus Faber.
here is apic in front of Röte 3. Sachsenberg is second from the right in the Lederkombination
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Erich
the old Sage
For some reason Erich I think you have something to do with this webpage that I had found earlier and has information on the Wuerger Staffel. It is an exellent website and if you had something to do with the information on it, great work my friend. Anyhow here is some info on what he was saying about the sayings on the planes.
And here are the known pilots and sayings that they had on there planes.
It is deffinatly and interesting piece of history and neat to read, check it out.
And here are the known pilots and sayings that they had on there planes.
It is deffinatly and interesting piece of history and neat to read, check it out.
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Erich
the old Sage
friend in the late 1980's I was keeping track of the unit with artist/historian Jerry Crandall who released their book on the staffel with great pics and profiles some years back....... it is an interesting and almost unknown unit. As far as I am aware all the members of the unit have passed away. when JV 44 was based near Salzburg the Würgers were at Ainring and it is almost funny since the staffel was unknown to most of the members of JV 44, that from the "count" Walter Krupinski
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Very interesting. Just to let you know I always enjoy your posts, you seem to be the most informed person here who posts and I have learned a lot from you. Thank you.
Nonskimmer
Captain
I feel that way too.
I just wish I was as fortunate as him to have actually met these people and learned from them.
Erich
the old Sage
well thank you very much. 
but I also am learning from you guys as well. you can well imagine what it may have been like in the early 1960's when I was starting out and trying to find veterans in the US that would take interest in my questions and then finally finding out the addy's of German service personell and writing them, mail taking sometimes a year for a return. so much has changed with high tech the last 10 years it is amazing. Sad for all of us the veterans from all sides are depleting at such an incredible rate that in 5-7 years they will be gone......
just like this German chap who flew 109G-10's and later the K, Werner Dehr. Promised him through a contact to write the guy and I waited to long and he passed away......
but I also am learning from you guys as well. you can well imagine what it may have been like in the early 1960's when I was starting out and trying to find veterans in the US that would take interest in my questions and then finally finding out the addy's of German service personell and writing them, mail taking sometimes a year for a return. so much has changed with high tech the last 10 years it is amazing. Sad for all of us the veterans from all sides are depleting at such an incredible rate that in 5-7 years they will be gone......just like this German chap who flew 109G-10's and later the K, Werner Dehr. Promised him through a contact to write the guy and I waited to long and he passed away......
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That is terrible.
wmaxt
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Erich said:well thank you very much.
just like this German chap who flew 109G-10's and later the K, Werner Dehr. Promised him through a contact to write the guy and I waited to long and he passed away......
I agree it's very sad to lose that whole generation - I think the last generation where you did what had to be done in spite of the cost. I think we've become soft since.
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