#1 American Killer, ETO???

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Please dont take me wrong I have no sympothy for terrorists or the insurgents that I fight everyday. I wish them to burn in hell. I just think we should be better then them and not let ourselves drop to there level. And as you said it was blown way out of proportion, I agree, and as Lightning Guy has said I dont think the Press should have found out about this they need to be punished by the Military and no one else.

 

[Erich]

hmmmmmmmmmm well understand my positon even if I am not as vocal as friend Les. I have seen what was done in the 1980's and before in Israel and it has not changed no-matter whom you call Syrian, Iranian, Iraqui, Phillistine-Palestinian, Lebanonese, etc........they want us dead.

Personally I would love to see ALL mis-fit media removed from the battle-zone. As Americans we have been tainted even if you watch Fox news. the truth is not being told, never has and never will

two £ for ya

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree with you dont take me wrong.

 

[lesofprimus]

Erich is obviously being alittle more coy with his prior military service than I am, or should I say governement service... Ive bounced all over the Middle East.... Seen alot of very bad things, as it sounds like Erich has done as well....

I share his sentiments exactly.... WAR IS HELL, GETTING STRIPPED IS NOTHING.......

And I think that embedded reporters are stupid and a waste of resources.... Instead of a 3 news people (reporter, cameraman, soundman), add another 2 heavy weapons operators and another FAC...........

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

Or they should give each soldier a cheapo digital camera, and have a couple of real battlefield photographers, like in Vietnam.

The guys that got in there with the GI's, but were armed with nothing but film...

One of the various forms of "balls," just like the FAC's (Ravens) in Laos flying Cessnas...

 

[Erich]

Les is correct, lets look at what the so-called mild mannered reproter has done since 9-11 over in Iraq.,,,, true brought us reality in grim form when we enetered Baghdad, shooting up anything that looked suspicious but then whate happened to the support these noble lads gave our boys ?

Hmmmmmmm abu grave as i call it. The bak lash with the one Marine when he shot the guy "faking" death, all recorded, and the news clown was ballsy enough to include everything he could on the soldier, his unit, CO and the whole incident for all the world to see and give the military a terrible name. It has been in our face since we entered Baghdad, even slowly but surely capturing that turd "Sadamn", isolated certain black guard units and also smashing "Al-quesida" from time to time. So much for the media promoting a will of good from our side and the fredom we are trying to present for these poor Iraqui people. I remember Vietnam all too well, and it is really hard I will say to differentiate between the north/south Vietnamese just as Eagle would probably say, Iraqui, Iranian and Syrian, lebanese. you can't tell even with the dress of the locals, and out of countrymen. You are always on the go, intense, covering your back and your buddies 24/7. It's terrible and it sucks, and it's war........

ok I am ranting....I have conflicting opinion's of our move in the mid-east but we are over there now and we need to do our best to get things under control under this administration and support our guys 1000 %. If we don't do this then we are just slime as we were back in the late 1960's-early 70's when Nixon called us all home.....with a job unfinished

yo Huh ~ Erich

 

[Nonskimmer]

I've never been in the Army or Special Forces and hence I can't speak with any kind of experience on the grim realities of true "in your face" blood and guts, shoot 'em up, blow 'em up combat.

I am all too familiar with one inescapable truth, however: Public opinion and the military do not mix!!

 

[lesofprimus]

Ive found that in the Middle East, the only way to know whose side the locals are on is by recognizing which way their weapon is pointing.... Either that or the incoming fire.....

Heres a great video clip of some moronic Iraqi with an RPG who doesnt have the faintest clue what "Cover" means....

 

[Nonskimmer]

Yep. He's dead.

 

[Medvedya]

Not nice, but what do you expect?

 

[Erich]

it almost appeared the guy was still smoking after he hit the dirt ?

hey U guys ever see the night film footage of 5-6 idiots hangin around their Ford Truck with a heavy mg on the back. they are just stooging and you can hear in the background an A-10 pilot getting the ok to eliminate the visual. within 3 seconds it's over. those US 30mm's are just nothing but drastic. the truck goes up with two big explosions and debris catches these guys in the back. thinking about this now it was a good chance the truck had some home-made bombs or something explosive in the bed....

 

[Nonskimmer]

I may have seen that one. It sounds familiar.

 

[lesofprimus]

Never seen that footage.....

 

[Erich]

didn't want to say it but Fox news just came on stating some of my buddies have been doing ops in Iran since last summer............I'll just let your mind wander as to what they are doing over there

I luv Stealth 8)

ok another footage if you have seen it. couple of our boyz flying over at night in jets and hit a bridge with a big boy bomb. smacked right down the pike on this puppy blowing the far end off and the bridge collapses in the drink-Euphrates. what is interesting as you watch the camera on one of the jets, a lonely car puts it in gear and tries to make it across the bridge..............poof !

 

[Anonymous]

i don't think they should be put there if they were ordered to............

It depends on how heinous the acts were. I don't care if the Japanese soldiers were ordered to kill all the men and rape and kill all the women in Nanking or not. Nor do I think it's relevant that the German soldiers were ordered to take jews, including the elderly and children, and shoot them in the back of the head and bury them in a ditch in Poland. Such acts are unforgivable and having been "ordered" to do them is no excuse. If we accept such excuses, then only the actual leader (Hitler or Hirohito) could ever be considered actually responsible.

Furthermore, it defeats the point. The point is to say to posterity that if you commit such acts, even if ordered to do so, you and your descendants will have to live with the shame of your actions.

"I was ordered to do it" is not an acceptable justification. It cannot be!

=S=

Lunatic

 

[evangilder]

No! Ones descendants should not shoulder the burden for something commited by their previous generations. That is absolute CRAP. If my father had done something bad, he should be punished. Should I be condemned because of something he did? NO way.

 

[Erich]

remember that the statement goes back to mid-east/biblical times. A Father is judged ans so are his descnednets back possible through several generations. this is not uncommon in certain mid-east nations today. will agree with =S=, you pay the price for your individual deeds against mankind in non-justifiable ways.

 

[evangilder]

But I am talking about us, not the middle east. If I do something heinous and terrible, it has nothing to do with me son. Now if I do something to corrupt him into doing something heinous or horrible, then that is different.

 

[Nonskimmer]

By that kind of logic, Germany should never have been allowed to exist following WWII, and all Germans should be marked as Nazis to this day.

Preposterous!

 

[evangilder]

Good point NS.