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Erich · Dec 28, 2008

H. Bartel's profile of Yellow 13 is wrong.......

Yellow 13 + ~

remember he is in 15th staffel of the IV./JG 27 was downed on 23rd Dec. 1944 in Bf 109G-10 with a US P-47 near Bad Godesberg.

looking for a pic of that A/C if there is one, doubtful though.

not sure if the yellow number and the ~ were outlined in black or just a solid yellow. most likely the wide green defense band on the fuselage is correct along with the black prop and white spiral

Lucky13 · Dec 28, 2008

Thanks Erich, appreciated, so this is just an interpretation or a "possible" of his last machine then, is the style right on the "13" though?

What's your opinion on the other Yellow 13 from 15./JG53 then, any idea who the pilot was?

Edit: Sorry, that pic is in another thread... Here it is again...

Erich · Dec 28, 2008

the Eagel cals is correct very hard to say but in my opinion Bartels late G-1`0 number 3 probably would have been rounded and not the flat hard straight top. still looking to find more pics of the IV./JG 27 machines which are few in number. am pretty sure the 13 of Bartels would of been larger than the JG 53 109. and sorry no idea on whom the JG 53 109 pilot was.

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Lucky13 · Dec 28, 2008

Something like this one in numerals then Erich, this is supposedly also one of Bartels machines...Bf 109F-4 Wk.Nr.13169.

lesofprimus · Dec 28, 2008

Fu*kin A man, that is one sexy lookin bird.... Is there a decal sheet for that profile Jan???

Lucky13 · Dec 28, 2008

Not sure brother....can't remember seeing any sets.

Lucky13 · Dec 28, 2008

If you like that one Dan, check these profiles out! 8)
Messerschmitt Bf 109G's and K's Got some good looking birds there!

Njaco · Dec 28, 2008

jan, hope you don't mind, but I got a new scanner for Xmas and to get used to it I'm scanning pics from some of my books and what better to start with than '13's!! Hope you don't mind if I post. Just checking to see how these come out.

These are from "Luftwaffe Fighters of NA and the Med" by Jerry Scutts and the "Jagdwaffe" series by Eric Mombeek. First up is a pic of Bartels crate.

Wayne Little · Dec 29, 2008

Lucky13 said:
Something like this one in numerals then Erich, this is supposedly also one of Bartels machines...Bf 109F-4 Wk.Nr.13169.

Bartel's Black 13 had the squared style '3' will dig out some pics...

Lucky13 · Dec 29, 2008

Wayne Little said:
Bartel's Black 13 had the squared style '3' will dig out some pics...

You mean like this one then Wayne?

Not at all Njaco, scan away matey! 8)

Lucky13 · Dec 29, 2008

Some more "13's" that I've found. Wilhelm Crinius one is the same as the one that you scanned NJ....

Wayne Little · Dec 29, 2008

Both Yellow 13's are associated with Wilhelm Crinius and carry exactly the same style of '13' the first one is his mount from the Russian front in August 1942...I am currently building this aircraft also......painted and at the panel lines Pastel stage.

...and just to annoy you Jan I have the kits and the markings to build Green, White and Black 13....

Njaco · Dec 29, 2008

Jan, check my first scanned pic. Thats Bartels machine with the squared '13'.

Airframes · Dec 29, 2008

Some nice pics and profiles there chaps! Jolly good show!

Lucky13 · Dec 29, 2008

Wayne Little said:
Both Yellow 13's are associated with Wilhelm Crinius and carry exactly the same style of '13' the first one is his mount from the Russian front in August 1942...I am currently building this aircraft also......painted and at the panel lines Pastel stage.

...and just to annoy you Jan I have the kits and the markings to build Green, White and Black 13....

Now you're just noising me up Wayne....

What scale is that then young man, it can't be 1/48 right...(juggling a couple of eggs)..?

Forgot to put this up with the post...

1. Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-8R-8.
2. Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6AS Wk.Nr.20601 and Walter Oesau.
3. Messerschmitt Bf 109G-14 and Unteroffizier Herbert Maxis.
4. Messerschmitt Bf 109G-14AS and Staffelkapitän Oberleutnant Ernst Scheufele.
5. Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2 and Leutnant Wilhelm Crinius.
6. MesserschmittBf 109G-2-R1 also Leutnant Wilhelm Crinius.

Erich · Dec 29, 2008

Lucky

what the heck is that black 13 - fw 190A ? someone must have been smokin some bad doobie to do that profile which is total bogus

Lucky13 · Dec 29, 2008

I wouldn't know brother Erich... I take your word over anything, so someone was high as a kite puffing away on some bad out of date pot, while doing this one then you say? Is the whole machine is something dreamed up in some pot affected dreams, together with John Lennon, Jim Morrison and the gang?

Erich · Dec 29, 2008

it's rather comical as it is suppose to be Werner Gerths black 13 of 11.Sturm/JG 3 taken a pic of while on A/F in July of 44. what they did do in the profile, I think was take JG 2 colors including the eagles head over the exhaust and put that over Werner's markings though the whole machine is goofed up.

Eagle Cals has the correct profile-decals I think; Neil P. and I did up his machine long ago on our debunked thanks to dog-poop, stupid AOL web site............

Lucky13 · Dec 29, 2008

As always Erich, very much appreciated for taking your time and all that! I'll pop over to EagleCals and snoop around....

Lucky13 · Dec 29, 2008

This one Erich? That's one h*ll of a difference! WTF were they smoking, doing this profile!?

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