Aircraft Identification Thread III

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Argh, the landing lights are up front...C-39s had the landing lights in the wings. I am going to stick with the C-33 after all! I think the C-33 was made with both the narrow and the broad tail.

 

[BlackWolf3945]

Always go with your first instinct... a C-33 it is.

I don't think any were constructed with the DC-2 tail, though. (Only 18 were built) You may be thinking of the C-32. But then I dunno transports too well...


Fade to Black...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

well that one didn't last too long

 

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No, the C-32 didn't have the big cargo door. Now that I think about it, I think I have only seen a drawing of the C-33 with the thinner tail. Let me dig through my pictures. I collected a big lot of them when I was preparing for last months presentation on the C-47. Your timing was great, I just researched that one. So it was fresh in my mind. 8)

 

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Here is one for you all. No hints, yet..

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

is that model underneath to do with the plane??

 

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Yes, it's the seaplane version of the same aircraft.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

well she aint british........

 

[cheddar cheese]

It has Swedish markings...Interesting. Ill have to have a look around on this.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

well she aint british so i aint even bothering......

 

[evangilder]

Geez, Lanc, broaden your horizons!

 

[cheddar cheese]

Wouldnt be a Saab Northrop 8-A 1 would it?

 

[evangilder]

Nope

 

[cheddar cheese]

Damn it I dont know then. Is it actually Swedish, or just used by the Swedes?

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

well i've just notised there's a rather large door on the port side, that might be of help to some people??

 

[evangilder]

It is actually Swedish. That should narrow it down...

 

[cheddar cheese]

Damn, I was rather hoping it wouldnt be

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

 

[cheddar cheese]

Ive scoured the net for it (well, one or two dites) and found nothing

 

[KraziKanuK]

SAAB B17

"Thanks to the licence-manufacturing of the Northrop 8-A 1 (B 5) bomber by ASJA/SAAB, the Swedish aircraft industry had got experience of design and manufacturing of modern monoplanes in light metal shell construction. In March 1940, SAAB, now in fusion with ASJA, offered the Air Administration the type 17 aircraft, the first of their own designs to be manufactured as a series. Two test aircraft had earlier been built. SAAB 17 was originally intended as a reconnaissance aircraft, but now it was also redesigned as a dive-bomber. The fifty American engineers, who had taught their Swedish colleagues the technique of building modern metal aircraft, also helped the Swedish engineers with the design of the first part of the new aircraft

In 1940, serial building of 322 aircraft was ordered. They were to be built in five variations; S 17BL and S 17BS for reconnaissance duties, and B 17A, B 17B and B 17C for bombing duties. The letters A-C designated the different engines that could be obtained. Sometimes, engines could be obtained from Italy. Otherwise, the engines had to be manufactured in Sweden. The engine alternatives were the Bristol/Svenska Flygmotor Mercury XXIV of 890 hp, the Svenska Flygmotor/Pratt Whitney STW C-3 Twin Wasp of 1.065 hp and the in 1940 the from Italy "emergency purchase" Piaggio P XI bis RC 40D of 1.020 hp. All variants were air-cooled radial engines.

An advanced bomb-sight, BT2 (m/42) was developed and was introduced in the later versions. Bombing with this kind of sight could be done at a lower diving angle.

To maximise the strenght of the wing, it lacked recesses for the landing gears. The gears were folded backward-upward and were fitted with stream-lined covers (see photo above). The covers were intended to be used as air-breaks during dive-bombing, but was not longer necessary when the new bomb-sight BT2 was installed in the aircraft. The landing gear with wheels could be replaced with a retractable ski gear.

The aircraft was, in addition to the bombs, armed with three 7,9 mm machine-guns - one at flexible mounting behind the navigator and two fixed in the wings.

Many problems occurred and many delays slowed the production programme. The first aircraft was delivered in December 1941. The last left the workshop during the second part of 1944.

B 17A (132 built) was a light bomber equipped with a Svenska Flygmotor/Pratt&Whitney STW C-3 14-cylinder radial engine (Swedish Twin Wasp) of 1.065 hp. Svenska Flygmotor had managed to copy this engine, which was built without a license agreement. The armament consisted of two fixed 8 mm machine-guns m/22 in the wings and a moveable 8 mm machine-gun at the observers place behind the pilot. Normally, a bomb-load of 500 kg could be carried.

B 17B (55 built) was similar to the B 17A, but with a Bristol/Svensk Flygmotor Mercury XXIV 9-cylinder radial engine of 980 hp.

B 17C (77 built) was similar to the two other variants, but had a Italian Piaggio P XI bis RC 40D 14-cylinder radial engine of 1.020 hp.

The SAAB 17 was a reliable aircraft with good performance. However, it had a tendency to ground loop at landing.

46 SAAB 17A were sold to the Ethiopian Air Force in 1947-1953"

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