Coronavirus Thread

[Marcel]

I'm not stupid, I knew this, but just putting any words in a cartoon, even this one, doesn't make them magically true. For all you know the holes are bigger than drawn. What if the mask is just a small border with everything open in it? It is just a bad way to prove that masks do any good as the post claimed.

 

[MiTasol]

Another way to look at it - consider each of these countries as inhabited with laboratory mice

One of these three laboratories has put in place lots of cheese even though the mice are closely confined so the death rate is only 81/m.

In the other two laboratories most of the mice have far more room but the key members of the government have restricted their cheese by saying there is nothing to worry about, ignore masks, ignore hygiene and ignore social distancing. One laboratory does have some people supplying cheese by wearing masks and social distancing and hygiene. It has a death rate of 672/m. The minimum cheese no smart mice laboratory has 716 deaths per million.

Which of those three laboratories has the lowest death toll per million? The one with the most cheese.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I'm not stupid, I knew this, but just putting any words in a cartoon, even this one, doesn't make them magically true. For all you know the holes are bigger than drawn. What if the mask is just a small border with everything open in it? It is just a bad way to prove that masks do any good as the post claimed.

Thats why you have multiple barriers. The "cartoon" is perfectly sensible.

It has nothing to do with masks being good. It shows that masks are just one layer or barrier. Each barrier by itself is not much, but each barrier together helps to reduce transmission together.

 

[Marcel]

Thats why you have multiple barriers. The "cartoon" is perfectly sensible.

It has nothing to do with masks being good. It shows that masks are just one layer or barrier. Each barrier by itself is not much, but each barrier together helps to reduce transmission together.

For the cartoon itself you are right, but context is important here and it came with a text. It clearly does state that it shows that masks are important. Let me show you, emphasis is mine:

For those still struggling with why masks are important.This is a very common approach to accident prevention, and sums it up in a way better than I have seen done with words:

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I'm sorry, but I just can't see how this cartoon is any helpful in the discussion about the effectiveness of masks.

Before anyone takes this out of context again: I do know and do believe in the layered approach. No problem there. But there is more to it. The drawing does assume things like the fact that each of the layers has a relatively moderate positive effect and ignores the possibility that some of the layers might have negative side effects.

 

[Deleted member 68059]

An instructive data-set of the UK situation, and relative dates of measures imposed.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

For the cartoon itself you are right, but context is important here and it came with a text. It clearly does state that it shows that masks are important. Let me show you, emphasis is mine:




I'm sorry, but I just can't see how this cartoon is any helpful in the discussion about the effectiveness of masks.

Before anyone takes this out of context again: I do know and do believe in the layered approach. No problem there. But there is more to it. The drawing does assume things like the fact that each of the layers has a relatively moderate positive effect and ignores the possibility that some of the layers might have negative side effects.

No need to take it out of context...

 

[Marcel]

Sigh.....

Okay, against better judgement I'll answer this one as it was the post I reacted upon:

I should have followed my initial judgement in the first place.
I think I'll remove myself from this discussion, I'm tired of it.

To teach myself a lesson:

Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.
Discussing on internet is like talking against a selective wall.

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

No it's not. I don't understand that view point. We may disagree, but we are friends and we remain civil. I respect and like you no less than before.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I think this thread is not worth the risk of losing friendships.