Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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- Feb 27, 2020
How the fire started? Sabotage? SSM? ASM?
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (2 Viewers)
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How the fire started? Sabotage? SSM? ASM?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I'm assuming that "they" in your post refers to NATO. Is this accurate?
I generally agree unless they can apply plausible deniability -- i.e. saying they were attacking a chemical plant.
Any use of NBC weapons would be an escalation NATO would have to answer, I think. Failure to do so would set a bad precedent, much as America's "red line" in Syria was shown to be a paper tiger and allowed for many further atrocities. On the doorstep of Europe? I don't think public opinion would allow for Western half-measures.
No, I meant Russia. Russia signed the treaty in 1993. According to the OPCW was the whole Rusian chemical stock destroyed in 2017. Of course they can have some hidden somewhere, but the capacity to make more is not there.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I'm going with Kharma.
Now, sit down before you hear this.
They did it again.
10th (tenth) time.
Chornobayevka forever.
Source: charismatic Vitaliy Kim, the head of the Mykolayiv region's administration.
Artist's impression:
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for my misunderstanding.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Just came across this news bit.
It appears that the Russian AFV that opened fire on that sedan on the highway, killing the elderly couple, was ambushed and destroyed shortly after.
If this is the case, then justice for those grandparent came swift and hard.
It appears that the Russian AFV that opened fire on that sedan on the highway, killing the elderly couple, was ambushed and destroyed shortly after.
If this is the case, then justice for those grandparent came swift and hard.
hawkeye2an
Staff Sergeant
Love to think it was the same, but seems one shows snow on the ground and the other doesn't.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
It does point out what "The Cheiftain" mentioned in his vid. Looking at edited footage taken out of context doesn't necessarily give the true picture.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
It seems the news agencies from India have done a good job attaining combat footage and giving accurate coverage.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Note the snow where the AFV was ambushed was sparse and in shadows of the trees.
The area where the pensioners were murdered was open to sunlight (few trees, little shade).
I'm told this is an accurate translation of that song. Pardon the expletives'
The English translation of the lyrics (pardon the expletives):
Help
Too bad help didn't come,
No reinforcements were sent.
There are only two of us left,
You and I were fucked.
All the rest are dead
And the ammunition will run out soon,
But we keep the position,
We fight bravely.
The gun is dead - everything is fucked up,
there is nothing left to fight back with.
Well, let's smoke, brother fighter,
We can't escape death.
Too bad help didn't come,
No reinforcements were sent.
Business as usual,
You and I were fucked.
.
The English translation of the lyrics (pardon the expletives):
Help
Too bad help didn't come,
No reinforcements were sent.
There are only two of us left,
You and I were fucked.
All the rest are dead
And the ammunition will run out soon,
But we keep the position,
We fight bravely.
The gun is dead - everything is fucked up,
there is nothing left to fight back with.
Well, let's smoke, brother fighter,
We can't escape death.
Too bad help didn't come,
No reinforcements were sent.
Business as usual,
You and I were fucked.
.
Tonight on MSNBC, Retired General Barry McCaffrey called for anti shipping misses to be sent to Ukraine. Also anti aircraft missiles.
Jim
Admiral Beez
Captain
From the Russian AFV poorly led, fed and protected crew's perspective, if (as shown on Ukraine media) every Ukrainian is a possible Molotov-armed partisan, where ambush by MANPATS is constantly feared, a civilian car driving towards your position might just evoke an order of kill all vehicles that approach. The Russians may have feared the car was scouting and reporting targets. It's a war crime, but I wonder how many innocent civilians in cars were considered possible insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan and destroyed "just in case" by US and Coalition AFV crews (and drone operators).
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Admiral Beez
Captain
Which supports my theory that Russians may consider every approaching civilian and vehicle a fair target.
