Bill, actually as far as THAT aspect of puppydom goes they, actually just the one we got first, Bailey never pooped in the house. She is very smart and very quickly got the message that outdoor excretion brought tons of praise and yummy treats. THEN three weeks later we were offered her sister and litter mate Jolie. In a serious lapse of judgement I agreed. I don't know what they?? did to her but she was 15lbs(7kg) less in weight, loaded with round worms and initially refused to do anything outside. Even attempting to put a leash on her caused her to cower and loose bladder control. Its been a long road with her and the two of them together make four dogs but she is gaining on her sister and is presently just 10lbs(4.5kg) less and is using the outside for her potty.