Doras Galoras - Unofficial GB

[A4K]

@A4K - Moebius do a 1/32 (I think - same scale as this Raider) 'Old' Viper and 'New' Viper...

Cheers mate! My 'space' model days are over though, although I did make a few many years ago, especially Star Wars stuff. (Actually my very first model was a beautifully detailed paper card model Space Shuttle Columbia in approx. 1:72 scale. That is one space model I would make again if I ever found it, the original being destroyed in one of the moves)


Great work too guys! Still finishing off other kits, but will be joining yas asap on this...

 

[Zaggy]

@A4K - 'space' and sci-fi does little for me; but I must admit, about 3-4 weeks back, feeling flat, making no progress on any other project (and getting over ANOTHER stint in hospital/doctors/specialists for this frikken spine of mine, after not walking for a few weeks over xmas/nye - and taking LOTS of drugs), I was looking for some 'quick and easy' projects. And Late War Luftwaffe is never quick nor easy. So I happened upon a cheap FineMolds TIE Interceptor, which I was about to start until I wanted to convert it to an Imperial Guard Interceptor; so that was pushed back too. Then came the Cylon Raider Mk2 Advanced; 22 pieces, no decals, all 'bare metal' and hopefully, low stress/fast paced!

In the same time it has taken to get the last few curves and panel lines engraved (oh and a scratched engine/firewall) and ALMOST ready for Black Primer, the majority of this Cylon Raider has gone together (which has included stuff like 'priming' the hard to reach area's and a bit of colour sanding on little bits of 'coloured' undercoats). Im quite impressed with it actually! For a limited run kit, that was not short on Flash, the majority of the kit has gone together realy well- and those gaps that have existed, were easily filled with plastic card!

But as for the D-15; I cant wait to get that all into one piece and get it prep'd... Will be cool

 

[woody]

Nice looking cockpit Andy.

 

[Crimea_River]

Thanks buddy. No work tonight. Long day.

 

[lostinhull]

Plodding along - using this one to get back into the swing of things (so apologies for the seams etc )

Base coats on - awaiting weathering detailing

 

[rochie]

not bad at all, looks good

 

[Crimea_River]

Might be the first one done. Good stuff.

 

[lostinhull]

Thanks guys

 

[Wayne Little]

looks good, however, one thing I don't agree with is that "Super chrome" call on the starboard wing, the area does show as slightly lighter than the surrounding greens but neither JaPo or Eagle Editions even mention this at all? I would be more inclined to go with the Green camo, but it's your model...your call...

 

[Zaggy]

@Wayne, I always interpretted that as some sort of Neutral Grey colour, like RLM77 (there is also a different grey visible below one of the fuselage Balkenkruez too. The a/c has OBVIOUSLY been repaired, while in service with VfS (it has a replacement fin, ailerons that dont match the camo pattern and the 'mysterious' third colour on the wing - I also suspect different shades of colour on the top of the Horizontal Tail surfaces, being a replacement unit. Just for the record, Replacement Tails can be spotted by the SOLID GREEN fin cap they have; while production/OEM/Factory assembled a/c fins are properly camo'd), which probably lead to the old theory that it was in fact V58, or whatever and not a true 2200-series machine. But as above, you can guess which side of the camp I am on!

Oh and it also has a different 'finish' on the power egg from memory, which looks like RLM83 over RLM81 - I think thats the a/c Im thinking off (this is all off the top of my head BTW)...


Dan

 

[lostinhull]

looks good, however, one thing I don't agree with is that "Super chrome" call on the starboard wing, the area does show as slightly lighter than the surrounding greens but neither JaPo or Eagle Editions even mention this at all? I would be more inclined to go with the Green camo, but it's your model...your call...

Cheers Wayne

Based entirely on the Eduard scheme I'm afraid - more than happy to revisit (I'd have preferred it not to be metal to be honest).

It's flanked by RLM82 and RLM83 though, so if it's a lighter shade than both any ideas what it could be? Or just infill with a lighter spray of the 82?

Edit: Crossed with Dan - hmm, less and less clear then (and I thought this one would b ethe more straightforward )

 

[Zaggy]

@Wayne - the Japo does not explicitly mention the outer wing panel, but does illustrate it as a neutral grey.

And on that point, the use of a Neutral Grey in Repair of late war a/c is not isolated, hence my theory that the outboard wing section and beneath the RH Balkenkruez is RLM77 or Neutral Grey; at least if you see what Japo (and I) see in the images of this a/c. EE-Crandall has a very different (more traditional) interpretation of the upper surface and fuselage camo (choosing to stay with RLM82/83 across the wings, fuselage and tail).

But, back to the Neutral Grey for a second - you'll also see a neutral grey on D-9 211164 covering repairs and there is at least one other WNr that eludes my brain ATM. Not to mention the Neutral Grey 'wedge' we see on MANY late D-9's, the D-11's, A-8's, etc.

The scheme I have mapped out for my "Red 4" (when I get around to it) is RLM83 on the power egg, continuing in a noticablely wavey demarcation, unbroken down the fuselage and around the canopy (just had a look at my notes and the RLM81 'under' RLM83 was a different a/c) over RLM82 which had originally been applied on fuselage. The RLM82 remains visible on the fuselage below the RLM83 from from a position beneath the canopy and wrapping around the spine (and originally as far as the Fuselage Extension) of the a/c. Wings were in the pretty standard RLM82/83 pattern.

Assuming my repair theory to be correct, when the tail unit was replaced, this unit was generally overall RLM76 (seemingly a slightly lighter shade, with a natural metal extension, as was common by this stage of the war, considering most operators would have applied a Rumpfband over it anyway), so once fitted, it was mottled with the 'Chocolate/Browner' version of RLM81; this was continued up the rear spine of the a/c and over a lot of the existing RLM82; there appears to be a light overspray of a colour to about halfway down the rear fuselage, from the leading edge of the Horizontal Tailplane, upto the rear edge of the Hakenkruez - this could be the same RLM81. I am of the beleif that while the Horizontal Tailplanes were RLM82/83, like the wings, the roots of the upper surfaces were also painted (for the first few inches) in the RLM81 also - its something I *THINK* I see in the images of the a/c. There also appears to be sprays of this colour down both the forward and rear edges of the fuselage extention (again suggesting a repair at some point)... Adding additional weight to the repair theory (at unit level) is the early style canopy, which would NOT have been a factory fitting at this stage of the things!

Of course I must chip in here and point out the alternate theory that this rear spine/tail colour is lighter/fresher RLM83 variant (or even one of the Greener RLM81's), more like the EE-Crandall interpretation.

Damage to the wings resulted in a patch of Neutral Grey on the RH outer most wing panel and a replacement wing-cap in RLM83. Both ailerons were replaced also, and like the wing-cap, remained in solid RLM83. There is also a patch of Fuselage, in the Lower-Right quadrant of the LEFT fuselage Balkenkruez that is in the same grey as the outer wing panel. Being a repair, the a/c Werk Nummer was repainted in White on the Green Fin-cap - some claim this number could in fact be 220010 or 220007, but I have never seen anything to confirm either; the known photo's that show a complete, 6 digit WNr are not clear enough to decipher anything more than there being a complete 6 digit WNr.

Lower surfaces as most know are RED over everything - I would suggest a very slight, barely noticiable darker tint to the red on the Leading Half of the wings, where the red would have over painted the darker RLM75 or 83; a Finely feathered/sprayed edge is visible on better documented a/c, so I do not see why this a/c would be any different. I also feel the Red and White of the lower surfaces are a gloss or semi-gloss finish, as are all the JV44 specific markings. The VfS 'White <58' tactical code is overpainted in a thin spray of a slightly lighter RLM76 also, before the Red 4 was applied.

As for the JV44 a/c, I consider "Red 4" to be the least clear of 'the well-known four' a/c (obviously excepting of "Red 2", which is whole other story) for the reason that I consider the a/c to have sustained a level of damage that necessitated the replacement of a number of parts (probably at Unit level, when in service with VfS) and the repainting of these repairs. Definately makes life interesting, doesn't it!


Dan


Oh and no progress on the D-15 or the Cylong Raider here But I did spent a small fortune on more Alclad this evening. I just LOOOOOOOVE the way it goes on over a black base!

 

[T Bolt]

Started the painting today doing panels on the underside of the wing and tail RLM 75. Sorry it didn't show up better but it's pretty close to the color of the plastic.

 

[Zaggy]

@T_Bolt - nice to see you work like me; have a home made colour diagram to work from. As for your paints, I've been playing with Model Master myself (as I find the enamels work better for the mottles due to less clogging in the air brush and a longer drying time) - what are you using to thin then and what ratio? Im using Model Master LACQUER thinners (yeah, it does make it stinky) in a ratio of between 1:1 and 2:1 Paint to Thinner.

While I prefer the ease of clean up of the LifeColor range, ModelMaster sprays a mottle easier and results in a tougher finish - I have scratched/worn lifecolor paint through during weathering for example!

 

[T Bolt]

I use Model Master Airbrush Thinner at between 2:1 and 3:1. My wifes a nurse and she gave me a box of pippets that are used for sucking up a drop of blood to transfer it to a blood sugar meter. They work perfect for transferring paint. I use them to put thinner and paint right into my airbrush cup, 1 bulb of paint and 2 bulbs of thinner, and mix it there by sucking the paint back and forth into the pippet. Then I add drops of thinner until I like the look of it. Only problem is that they don't make them anymore and I have a limited supply. I'm trying to stretch out the supply by cleaning them out each time, but the pipe on them is so delicate that I only get 3 or 4 uses out of one before it splits.

 

[woody]

Nice work Glenn and Lostinhull. Just wondering what color on the seat cushion and also cowl flaps open or closed thanks.

 

[Crimea_River]

Seat cushion could have been any kind of cloth or leather material. Anything but plaid. I usually go with a light brown or buff/khaki. Cowl flaps - your choice. Pictures of parked aircraft show anything from fully closed to fully open.

To all interested readers and participants, I've edited post 1 of this thread to include an easy-to-find summary of the declared participants and their choice of projects. As we go along and new information is received, I'll update post 1 to keep it fresh. Also, as finished shots are posted, I'll copy one of the finished pics from each entrant to post 1.

Looks like Wayne's narrowed his choice down to 4 potential machines and I think Dave (Tigerdriver) has not yet committed an entry. Apologies if I've missed anyone or posted incorrect info. If so, let me know!

 

[A4K]

Great work guys!

Dan, good idea re the quick build Sci-fis. Still have a Speeder bike to do sometime back in NZ. When I was in the Air Force I planned on painting it in the Deep Yellow scheme with roundels and Black/white safety bands carried by RNZAF ground equipment (...except the base 'bikes', but those are another subject!)

And cheers Andy! Small thing, but typo re Braunen 4, I think you hit the 5 instead of the 6! (W.nr 500647)

 

[T Bolt]

Plaid head rest. Sounds interesting. How would you paint that?

 

[Crimea_River]

.... but typo re Braunen 4, I think you hit the 5 instead of the 6! (W.nr 500647)

Fixed, thanks Evan. With the way I type, I'd be doing really well if that was the only typo!