Nonskimmer
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Can you hear the sirens yet? 
Handguns from World Wars
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CharlesBronson
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Colt 1911 cal .45ACP shooting tracers.
cheddar cheese
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Erich said:CC I have done it........... !for about an hr until a got some real scared looks from drivers going by. I made a quick exit into the back of the house and hid the "big pipe"
HAHA
Oh how id love to do that!
Nonskimmer
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Interesting.CharlesBronson said:
He paused long enough before firing, though.
CharlesBronson
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Mauser K98K, here the guy handling this gun make a little mistake: He manually removeed the clip, but this is not needed because the forward movement of the bolt eject it.
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Douglas Jr.
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MAUSER C96 - "Austrian Contract"
The Wartime Commercial Mauser C96 (termed 1896/12) was manufactured by Waffenfabrik Mauser at Oberndorf from 1915-1918 for the German Army. These are found in the 280000 to 430000 serial range. Almost all these pistols (with or without the Army acceptance stamp) were intended for Army service or for officer self purchase. This one was chambered to fire the 9mm Luger (aka Parabellum) cartridge.
A few of these Wartime Commercial pistols, mostly in the 360000 to 430000 serial range, bear Austrian military acceptance stamps in the form of a W-n Austrian Eagle and a date. Most of these bear a German Army acceptance stamp. Almost all are Austrian dated 17.
Douglas.
The Wartime Commercial Mauser C96 (termed 1896/12) was manufactured by Waffenfabrik Mauser at Oberndorf from 1915-1918 for the German Army. These are found in the 280000 to 430000 serial range. Almost all these pistols (with or without the Army acceptance stamp) were intended for Army service or for officer self purchase. This one was chambered to fire the 9mm Luger (aka Parabellum) cartridge.
A few of these Wartime Commercial pistols, mostly in the 360000 to 430000 serial range, bear Austrian military acceptance stamps in the form of a W-n Austrian Eagle and a date. Most of these bear a German Army acceptance stamp. Almost all are Austrian dated 17.
Douglas.
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Douglas Jr.
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Here are some more pictures of the same Mauser... The WWI/Freikorps medal bar shown brings the following medals: Iron Cross 2nd Class (1914), Lippe-Detmond Military Service Cross 2nd Class, Anhalt War Service Cross, Hindenburg Cross with Swords, Silesian Eagle 2nd Class, Austrian World War I Veteran Medal (with Swords), Hungarian 1914-1918 Service Medal.
Hope you enjoy it.
Douglas.
Hope you enjoy it.
Douglas.
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john said:
Hi John,
I don´t have much pictures of the great (and extremely rare) FG42. But here it is.
Hope you enjoy!
Douglas.
FG42
The Fallschimjägergewehr 42 was introduced in 1942 as a special project to be issued to German Paratroopers. It was very well done but expensive, and it was produced for a very short time, with only around 7,000 - 10,000 units made. Some consider it as a ancestor of the Assault Rifle. There were two basic versions, and the main differences are the stock and hand grip.
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Douglas Jr.
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It´s time to start to talke about... Luger!
1914 NAVY LUGER
The Navy was the first German Armed Force to adopt the famou Luger pistol, in 1904. Calling the new weapon as Pistole 04, the Kaiserliche Marine bought around 35,000 pistols for its ships and Marines until 1918.
As very few survived, the Navy Luger is one of the most sought after model among the collectors. Also, many experts consider the most well-balanced Parabellum.
All Navy Lugers have 15cm (6") barrels and adjustable sight for 100 and 200 meters. The so-called 1914 Navy Luger was the first to eliminate the grip safety to make it similar to the Army model (P-08). However the 1914 model still used the long frame. Authors Görtz and Walter estimates that only 8,000 1914 Navy Lugers were made between late-1914 and mid-1916, when the short frame was also adopted for Navy Lugers.
Douglas.
1914 NAVY LUGER
The Navy was the first German Armed Force to adopt the famou Luger pistol, in 1904. Calling the new weapon as Pistole 04, the Kaiserliche Marine bought around 35,000 pistols for its ships and Marines until 1918.
As very few survived, the Navy Luger is one of the most sought after model among the collectors. Also, many experts consider the most well-balanced Parabellum.
All Navy Lugers have 15cm (6") barrels and adjustable sight for 100 and 200 meters. The so-called 1914 Navy Luger was the first to eliminate the grip safety to make it similar to the Army model (P-08). However the 1914 model still used the long frame. Authors Görtz and Walter estimates that only 8,000 1914 Navy Lugers were made between late-1914 and mid-1916, when the short frame was also adopted for Navy Lugers.
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HealzDevo
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These really are cool pictures, and the two videos I am downloading now. I shall have to come back and add these to my private picture collection at some stage.
cheddar cheese
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Nice pictures! 8)
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Douglas Jr.
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Hi,
I took these two pictures this morning while trying to improve my habilities as a ditigal photographer! It´s getting better, I think... it is the same Navy Luger 1914 with a Imperial Militarpass, a saxon sailor´s medal bar and mützenband for Marineschule Kiel...
Hope you enjoy.
Douglas.
I took these two pictures this morning while trying to improve my habilities as a ditigal photographer! It´s getting better, I think... it is the same Navy Luger 1914 with a Imperial Militarpass, a saxon sailor´s medal bar and mützenband for Marineschule Kiel...
Hope you enjoy.
Douglas.
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Nice photography work. 8)
Nonskimmer
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More great pics, Douglas!
They turned out really well!
They turned out really well!
CharlesBronson
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Ballester-Molina Cal. 45
Type: Self Loading Locked Breech Semiautomatic Pistol
System of Operation: Recoil
Caliber: 11.43x23mm (.45 ACP)
Capacity: 7+1 rounds
Sights: Fixed blade front, notch rear drift adjustable for windage
The history of the Ballester-Molina dates back to 1929 when two enterprising Spaniards, Arturo Ballester and Eugenio Molina established a company for producing Hispano-Suiza automotive products in Buenos Aires. The name of this company was Hispano Argentina Fabrica de Automoviles Sociedad Anonima (HAFDASA), or Spanish-Argentine Automobile Factory, Incorporated. Several years later, HAFDASA hired a pair of engineers, the frenchman Rorice Rigaud, and Carlos Ballester Molina (a member of both the Ballester and Molina families). Rigaud eventually became HAFDASA's chief design engineer, while Ballester Molina, originally responsible for metallurgy, heat treatment, and production methodologies, became HAFDASA's Chief Executive Officer (CEO).
HAFDASA won a contract with the Direccion General del Material del Ejercito (DGME), or General Directorate for Army Materiel, to supply the Argentine military with trucks, buses, and engines. The DGME later commissioned HAFDASA to investigate the potential manufacture of small arms.
In 1936, in response to the DGME request, HAFDASA began to design and manufacture small arms. There was nothing revolutionary about HAFDASA's work. The factory established a pattern of adapting existing designs to satisfy the requirements of the Argentine military and police forces using indigenous materials within HAFDASA's production capabilities. To this end, in 1936, HAFDASA unveiled a semiautomatic carbine based on the Beretta M1918/30 in calibers 9x19mm and .45 ACP.
Following the introduction of the two carbines, the DGME requested HAFDASA to produce a pistol chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge to serve as an (indigenously produced) replacement for the .45 ACP pistols then in service with the Argentine military and police forces. The contract required HAFDASA to produce a pistol along the general lines of the Modelo 1916 and 1927 Colt pistols then in service and to have barrels and magazines that were interchangeable with those pistols.
The HAFDASA engineers began work on this contract in late 1936/early 1937. The decision was taken modify the original Browning design to facilitate and economize production along the same lines as two Spanish companies Bonifacio Echeverria, S.A. (Star) and Gabilondo y Cia, S.A (Llama). The main changes introduced by these companies were the elimination of the grip safety, a backstrap integral to the frame, and a pivoting trigger with a side mounted sear bar and disconnector. These changes, as applied to the Star Model B pistol were of particular influence to HAFDASA's designers.
Consequently, while the completed HAFDASA design bore a strong external similarity to the Colt M1911A1, only the barrel and magazine are interchangeable with the Colt pistol. Note: Barrels and magazines made by HAFDASA are identifiable by the marking "HA" inside a diamond. The following is a list of differnces between the HAFDASA pistol and the M1911A1:
a) The hammer strut on the HAFDASA pistol is much shorter than that of the M1911A1.
b) The firing pin stop on the HAFDASA pistol is not recessed on the side as it is on the M1911A1.
c) The safety lock on the HAFDASA pistol is redesigned with a larger diameter pin, and it can be applied with the hammer cocked or fully down.
d) The mainspring housing on the HAFDASA pistol is an integeral part of the frame.
e) The HAFDASA pistol has a pivoting trigger with a single extension along the right side that cams the side mounted disconnector and engages the sear.
f) The magazine catch on the HAFDASA pistol is assembled differently.
g) The HAFDASA pistol has no slide stop disassembly notch.
The HAFDASA pistol was adopted as the Argentine Army service pistol in 1938. Early pistols were marked "Pistola Automatica Calibre .45 Ballester-Rigaud, Modelo DGME 1938." These early pistols have checkering on the grips and backstrap, and there are twenty fine slide retraction grooves, as on the M1911A1. The slide right side is marked with the Argentine crest and the text "Ejercito Argentino."
The next iteration of the HAFDASA pistol were modified to speed up and economize on production accordingly: The backstrap checkering was replaced by horizontal serrations, the wooden grips had long vertical serrations, and the fine slide retraction grooves were replaced by groups of vertical grooves separated by wide gaps. Additionally, the Modelo 1938 designation was dropped, and the pistol was now known as the "Pistola Ballester-Rigaud."
At some point between 1940 and 1942, HAFDASA changed the trademark name of the pistol from "Ballester-Rigaud" to "Ballester-Molina," with the change reflected in the markings on the slide of the pistol. At the same time HAFDASA began to use plastic, instead of wooden, grips on the pistol. It was also around this time that HAFDASA received an order from the British government for between 8,000 and 10,000 .45 caliber pistols. Payment for these pistols was made, in part, with steel supplied by the British government. Due to the scarcity of raw materials in Argentina due to the Second World War, it is highly likely that the steel was of U.S. origin supplied to England via Lend-Lease, and consequently not prior to March 11, 1941. According to Alejandro Gherovici, noted expert on Argentine service pistols, no steel salvaged from the pocket battleship Graf Spee or any other warships was used to produce the British contract or any other HAFDASA pistols. Production of the British Contract pistols started in 1942 and continued until mid-1944. British Contract pistols are easy to identify as they bear a serial number prefixed by a "B," between the 12000 and 21000 serial number range.
After the end of the of the British Contract, HAFDASA continued to produce pistols for Argentine government and commercial usage until 1953. Starting in 1947, the HAFDASA pistols had been supplanted in Argentine use by the DGFM Sistema Colt M1927 pistol, a clone of the M1911A1. While the HAFDASA pistols began to be withdrawn from Argentine service in the 1960's, many served until the mid-1980's when they were finally replaced and sold as surplus on the US market. It is believed that HAFDASA produced between 80,000 and 90,000 .45 caliber pistols.
The following is a loose serial number to year correlation:
Serial Number Range Date Range
1 - 12,000 1938 - 1942
12,000 - 23,000 1942 - 1944
23,000 - 108,000 1944 - 1953
HAFDASA exported pistols to Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela.
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Gherovici, Alex, Military Pistols of Argentina, (Self Published, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 1994)
Type: Self Loading Locked Breech Semiautomatic Pistol
System of Operation: Recoil
Caliber: 11.43x23mm (.45 ACP)
Capacity: 7+1 rounds
Sights: Fixed blade front, notch rear drift adjustable for windage
The history of the Ballester-Molina dates back to 1929 when two enterprising Spaniards, Arturo Ballester and Eugenio Molina established a company for producing Hispano-Suiza automotive products in Buenos Aires. The name of this company was Hispano Argentina Fabrica de Automoviles Sociedad Anonima (HAFDASA), or Spanish-Argentine Automobile Factory, Incorporated. Several years later, HAFDASA hired a pair of engineers, the frenchman Rorice Rigaud, and Carlos Ballester Molina (a member of both the Ballester and Molina families). Rigaud eventually became HAFDASA's chief design engineer, while Ballester Molina, originally responsible for metallurgy, heat treatment, and production methodologies, became HAFDASA's Chief Executive Officer (CEO).
HAFDASA won a contract with the Direccion General del Material del Ejercito (DGME), or General Directorate for Army Materiel, to supply the Argentine military with trucks, buses, and engines. The DGME later commissioned HAFDASA to investigate the potential manufacture of small arms.
In 1936, in response to the DGME request, HAFDASA began to design and manufacture small arms. There was nothing revolutionary about HAFDASA's work. The factory established a pattern of adapting existing designs to satisfy the requirements of the Argentine military and police forces using indigenous materials within HAFDASA's production capabilities. To this end, in 1936, HAFDASA unveiled a semiautomatic carbine based on the Beretta M1918/30 in calibers 9x19mm and .45 ACP.
Following the introduction of the two carbines, the DGME requested HAFDASA to produce a pistol chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge to serve as an (indigenously produced) replacement for the .45 ACP pistols then in service with the Argentine military and police forces. The contract required HAFDASA to produce a pistol along the general lines of the Modelo 1916 and 1927 Colt pistols then in service and to have barrels and magazines that were interchangeable with those pistols.
The HAFDASA engineers began work on this contract in late 1936/early 1937. The decision was taken modify the original Browning design to facilitate and economize production along the same lines as two Spanish companies Bonifacio Echeverria, S.A. (Star) and Gabilondo y Cia, S.A (Llama). The main changes introduced by these companies were the elimination of the grip safety, a backstrap integral to the frame, and a pivoting trigger with a side mounted sear bar and disconnector. These changes, as applied to the Star Model B pistol were of particular influence to HAFDASA's designers.
Consequently, while the completed HAFDASA design bore a strong external similarity to the Colt M1911A1, only the barrel and magazine are interchangeable with the Colt pistol. Note: Barrels and magazines made by HAFDASA are identifiable by the marking "HA" inside a diamond. The following is a list of differnces between the HAFDASA pistol and the M1911A1:
a) The hammer strut on the HAFDASA pistol is much shorter than that of the M1911A1.
b) The firing pin stop on the HAFDASA pistol is not recessed on the side as it is on the M1911A1.
c) The safety lock on the HAFDASA pistol is redesigned with a larger diameter pin, and it can be applied with the hammer cocked or fully down.
d) The mainspring housing on the HAFDASA pistol is an integeral part of the frame.
e) The HAFDASA pistol has a pivoting trigger with a single extension along the right side that cams the side mounted disconnector and engages the sear.
f) The magazine catch on the HAFDASA pistol is assembled differently.
g) The HAFDASA pistol has no slide stop disassembly notch.
The HAFDASA pistol was adopted as the Argentine Army service pistol in 1938. Early pistols were marked "Pistola Automatica Calibre .45 Ballester-Rigaud, Modelo DGME 1938." These early pistols have checkering on the grips and backstrap, and there are twenty fine slide retraction grooves, as on the M1911A1. The slide right side is marked with the Argentine crest and the text "Ejercito Argentino."
The next iteration of the HAFDASA pistol were modified to speed up and economize on production accordingly: The backstrap checkering was replaced by horizontal serrations, the wooden grips had long vertical serrations, and the fine slide retraction grooves were replaced by groups of vertical grooves separated by wide gaps. Additionally, the Modelo 1938 designation was dropped, and the pistol was now known as the "Pistola Ballester-Rigaud."
At some point between 1940 and 1942, HAFDASA changed the trademark name of the pistol from "Ballester-Rigaud" to "Ballester-Molina," with the change reflected in the markings on the slide of the pistol. At the same time HAFDASA began to use plastic, instead of wooden, grips on the pistol. It was also around this time that HAFDASA received an order from the British government for between 8,000 and 10,000 .45 caliber pistols. Payment for these pistols was made, in part, with steel supplied by the British government. Due to the scarcity of raw materials in Argentina due to the Second World War, it is highly likely that the steel was of U.S. origin supplied to England via Lend-Lease, and consequently not prior to March 11, 1941. According to Alejandro Gherovici, noted expert on Argentine service pistols, no steel salvaged from the pocket battleship Graf Spee or any other warships was used to produce the British contract or any other HAFDASA pistols. Production of the British Contract pistols started in 1942 and continued until mid-1944. British Contract pistols are easy to identify as they bear a serial number prefixed by a "B," between the 12000 and 21000 serial number range.
After the end of the of the British Contract, HAFDASA continued to produce pistols for Argentine government and commercial usage until 1953. Starting in 1947, the HAFDASA pistols had been supplanted in Argentine use by the DGFM Sistema Colt M1927 pistol, a clone of the M1911A1. While the HAFDASA pistols began to be withdrawn from Argentine service in the 1960's, many served until the mid-1980's when they were finally replaced and sold as surplus on the US market. It is believed that HAFDASA produced between 80,000 and 90,000 .45 caliber pistols.
The following is a loose serial number to year correlation:
Serial Number Range Date Range
1 - 12,000 1938 - 1942
12,000 - 23,000 1942 - 1944
23,000 - 108,000 1944 - 1953
HAFDASA exported pistols to Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela.
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Gherovici, Alex, Military Pistols of Argentina, (Self Published, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 1994)
schwarzpanzer
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Nice pics! Anyone got any of the following?
Herman Goerings gold Lugers
Fedorov Avtomat
Chinese .45 ACP Mauser C96
Herman Goerings gold Lugers
Fedorov Avtomat
Chinese .45 ACP Mauser C96
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