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The 4:1 were claims and many unconfirmed when compared to combat loss records.me 262 kill ratio was 4:1 in the air. Almost all bombers protected by allied fighters. ME262 was not a dogfighter it was a bomber interceptor and fighter bomber. ME 262s often operated with FW 190s for protection especially during takeoffs and landings. The 4:1 ratio against escorted bombers was plent good enough for Germany to win the air war over Germany if only they had enough ME262s. They didn't. They had so few that their contribution was close to zero.
I think Soren got it right the first time. The F15 has no losses in air to air. I think the same is said for the F16 as well. I think both of them have over 100 kills with no losses.
So, the loss rate doesn't exist for them because there are no air to air losses. Technically, they have no loss rate.
The jet engines had a tendency to "flame out" at high speeds in high altitudes (bombers flew high). After flameout they were easy pickings for Mustangs unless FW190s were able to helpProbably those 100 lost included losses during landing and take off?
It would be interesting to now the ratio.
F15D from IAF killed by Syrian MIG21MF with R60 missile on 09 of June 1982. So even IAF F15 score is much higher it is not true that no F15 was shoot down.
Hmmmm, I'm not so sure about that. You got any info on that? I'm not showing that in the list of losses...
Only a guess, but he may be referring to "Operation Mole Cricket". Officially 2 F-15's were damaged but repaired and returned to service. However, in Wiki, I found this quote:
"The Soviet military newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda announced that "sixty-seven Israeli aircraft, including modern US-made F-15 and F-16 fighters, were downed" in the fighting. The newspaper also reported a meeting with a Syrian airman who recounted an engagement in which he shot down an Israeli F-15: "The victory had not been easy; the enemy had been subtle". Even within Soviet ranks, these claims met with great skepticism.[27]"
"The Soviet military newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda announced
F15D from IAF killed by Syrian MIG21MF with R60 missile on 09 of June 1982. So even IAF F15 score is much higher it is not true that no F15 was shoot down.
I just copied from the book just like mostly everyone here gains a knowledge from the literature. And also question can be asked where is the evidence that it didn't happened?
Is there a possibility that for some reason Israelis might not publish a loss of F15?
That's pretty much what I was thinking. If an F15 had indeed been shot down it would have been in Russian media for months. Heck, some of our own media tends to be a bit hostile to all things military and would have been more than happy to relay any Russian footage regarding such a loss.Why would the Syrians or the Russians who back them not show wreckage as evidence? It would have been in the best interest for them to do so. Look what the Serbs did when they shot down the F-117...
Why would family members not come forward over the years and grieve for their lost loved one?
Again the burden of proof lies in the person making the claim. No evidence? Then it's just a claim and nothing else. Everything points to possible damage, being returned to service, if anything.
That's pretty much what I was thinking. If an F15 had indeed been shot down it would have been in Russian media for months. Heck, some of our own media tends to be a bit hostile to all things military and would have been more than happy to relay any Russian footage regarding such a loss.
I just copied from the book just like mostly everyone here gains a knowledge from the literature. And also question can be asked where is the evidence that it didn't happened?