You will never forget them will you? I have been to so many crash sites. Most of the time we either had to fly out and pic of the remains of the crew...
I will never forget it.
How Many Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines.......
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You will never forget them will you? I have been to so many crash sites. Most of the time we either had to fly out and pic of the remains of the crew...
I will never forget it.
cougar32d
Airman 1st Class
I've been on DART missions myself, i can still see them.......Never forget them
I did a rescue into downtown Bacuba one time. Fortunatly a few minutes out we got the call that they had allready been rescued. I was not looking foward into flying into the town square full of insurgents.
cougar32d
Airman 1st Class
Yeah, but you guys would've done it in a heartbeat....that's what counts 
I know of some units that flat out refused to back up units in trouble.
I know of some units that flat out refused to back up units in trouble.
I dont see how anyone can not do it.
We would have done it for any US soldiers or our allies anyday.
We would have done it for any US soldiers or our allies anyday.
cougar32d
Airman 1st Class
Band of Brothers...right
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
That's what civilians don't get. 99% of the men/women in ANY branch would brave any sort of hot LZ or beachhead or anything to help out men/women of any OTHER branch. Then, later that night, meet up in the bar, buy a few rounds, get hammered, and start a brawl with each other. 
Ya just can't explain it.
Ya just can't explain it.Rook58
Airman
Yeah, that "Band of Brothers" aspect means so much... there aren't many brands of civilians that grasp that. It's one of the things so many of us miss, I think. That's probably one reason a lot of cops are vets.
In grad school (counseling psychology program) we had a course on understanding people from other cultures and our professor, a funny little Aussie, told us that being Americans, we were from one of the most individualistic cultures in the world and would have great trouble grasping what a collectivist culture, one where the good of the group comes ahead of the individual, feels like. I wrote a paper on how, having been in the Marine Corps since age 17, I'd spent more than half my life at that point in a collectivist culture and was more at home in that kind of society than in mainstream America. After reflecting on it, he agreed.
You're right about never forgetting, Der Adler - I was 18 and that was my first exposure to violent death. Up to then I'd felt like being in the service was like being in the movies; that day it really hit home how deadly serious a business it is. My stepfather had served in WW2 in both oceans and had tried to get that across to me before I enlisted, but I hadn't had the frame of reference to understand. I stayed in and made it a career for multiple reasons, but one was that by the time I was up for reenlistment and was an NCO, I realized that a lot of the officers and NCOs still had that naivete and we needed leaders that understood death at a gut level and not as an abstract idea.
In grad school (counseling psychology program) we had a course on understanding people from other cultures and our professor, a funny little Aussie, told us that being Americans, we were from one of the most individualistic cultures in the world and would have great trouble grasping what a collectivist culture, one where the good of the group comes ahead of the individual, feels like. I wrote a paper on how, having been in the Marine Corps since age 17, I'd spent more than half my life at that point in a collectivist culture and was more at home in that kind of society than in mainstream America. After reflecting on it, he agreed.
You're right about never forgetting, Der Adler - I was 18 and that was my first exposure to violent death. Up to then I'd felt like being in the service was like being in the movies; that day it really hit home how deadly serious a business it is. My stepfather had served in WW2 in both oceans and had tried to get that across to me before I enlisted, but I hadn't had the frame of reference to understand. I stayed in and made it a career for multiple reasons, but one was that by the time I was up for reenlistment and was an NCO, I realized that a lot of the officers and NCOs still had that naivete and we needed leaders that understood death at a gut level and not as an abstract idea.
Flipper Hall
Recruit
- 1
- May 24, 2008
Hello!
First of all I served all of my time Army National Guard, when the only overseas duty we were getting was honduras (etc) peace building missions. I tried to volunteer Gulf I and was told that they would not break up the integraty of a scheduled unit. Two weeks after the "cease fire" I messed my knees up royally during a PT Test. (Best blessing in disguise I have every had, as my wife wanted me out!)
I have always been thankful for members of the other services. I had a friend that we would joke and carry on during the Military BIG ONE (ARMY v NAVY) and even though I obviously want Army to dominate, at the end of the game, my sentiments are that WE won! I realize that the quarterback for Navy (or Air Force) may well be the guy that answers "my" fire support call, and thuse the game is a good intramilitary way to poke jabs at the other necessary branches.
To make matters even crazier, the friend was USMC, but I had both army and navy in my family, as well as the fact that my father-in-law (for whom I have the utmost respect) is a navy CDR.
First of all I served all of my time Army National Guard, when the only overseas duty we were getting was honduras (etc) peace building missions. I tried to volunteer Gulf I and was told that they would not break up the integraty of a scheduled unit. Two weeks after the "cease fire" I messed my knees up royally during a PT Test. (Best blessing in disguise I have every had, as my wife wanted me out!)
I have always been thankful for members of the other services. I had a friend that we would joke and carry on during the Military BIG ONE (ARMY v NAVY) and even though I obviously want Army to dominate, at the end of the game, my sentiments are that WE won! I realize that the quarterback for Navy (or Air Force) may well be the guy that answers "my" fire support call, and thuse the game is a good intramilitary way to poke jabs at the other necessary branches.
To make matters even crazier, the friend was USMC, but I had both army and navy in my family, as well as the fact that my father-in-law (for whom I have the utmost respect) is a navy CDR.
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Hey, Flip, first of all welcome to the boards! Secondly....active duty or National Guard/Reserves, YOU SERVED. Consider yourself one of the guys. Heck, I would even venture to include EMS/police/fire in that "YOU SERVED" category. Not everyone who puts their life on the line for their country went overseas or fired a rifle.
Heck, I would even venture to include EMS/police/fire in that "YOU SERVED" category. Not everyone who puts their life on the line for their country went overseas or fired a rifle.
Welcome to the forum.
mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
Take care over there.
I have flown into your camp a few times when I was there. It was kind of wierd parking a Blackhawk between CH-53's and CH-46's!
A bunch of my friends were in MEDVAC based out of there last year.
I have flown into your camp a few times when I was there. It was kind of wierd parking a Blackhawk between CH-53's and CH-46's!
A bunch of my friends were in MEDVAC based out of there last year.
cougar32d
Airman 1st Class
hey mkloby, was wondering where you were. hope all is well with you.
Rook58
Airman
Take good care, mkloby - Semper Fi!
GavC
Recruit
RAF Eng Tech Airframe and Prop since 88. Tornado Eng Bay, Tornado F3 Sqn, Tornado GR1 Sqn (RAFG), Tornado GR4 Sqn Scotland, Typhoon Sqn, Typhoon Role office.....2 years to pension!!!
ccheese
Member In Perpetuity
Welcome to the forum Danoku. FYI, this forum is loaded with ex-military,
active duty military, retired military and guys that served in every conflict
from [and including] WW-II to the present one in the big sand box.
Enjoy the place...
Charles
active duty military, retired military and guys that served in every conflict
from [and including] WW-II to the present one in the big sand box.
Enjoy the place...
Charles
Bluehawk
Airman 1st Class
USAF, 1963-66, ATC 3345th CMS, Chanute Field, 43151A recip eng a/c mech on C-123B, U-3A C-47D (only as a sub)... just another wingwiper REMF.
Our mission was training of air ground crew on the Provider for deployment to MAAG-VN stationed at Da Nang and TSN. Ran cargo sorties all over USA hauling Provider parts, a lot of air hours doing check outs, t g, STOL, emergency descents etc etc etc.
Our mission was training of air ground crew on the Provider for deployment to MAAG-VN stationed at Da Nang and TSN. Ran cargo sorties all over USA hauling Provider parts, a lot of air hours doing check outs, t g, STOL, emergency descents etc etc etc.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Paras 1969 to 1981, including SF role at the 'other place', then 10 years active reserve. SNCO weapons instructor final 'job'.
