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pops-paolo
I will love England forever despite Euro 2020!
They still need troops down there to defend like u don't just use a couple of germans soldiers
If italy Joined the allies World War 2
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GrauGeist
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Why not?
Bulgaria had close ties to Germany, Romania and Hungary wanted land back that was lost in WWI, Croatia wanted to be an independant state.
Their joining the Axis wasn't influenced by Italy's political position either way.
I can do this too...
England sees that Italy has joined the allies and thinks all is lost because Italy is a huge major player you know. England joins forces with the Germans. The Royal Navy annihilates the Italian Navy. England and Germany take France and march to Moscow. England changes its language to German.
That's how these what ifs are won...
England sees that Italy has joined the allies and thinks all is lost because Italy is a huge major player you know. England joins forces with the Germans. The Royal Navy annihilates the Italian Navy. England and Germany take France and march to Moscow. England changes its language to German.
That's how these what ifs are won...
But they don't need much, because there is no way the Italians are coming up. Germany's military leadership was not stupid. Why would they mass a huge Army at a border that is not a huge threat?
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pops-paolo
I will love England forever despite Euro 2020!
If Italy didn't sign it who would then? romania and Hungary were pressured
Romania and Hungary had other motives for joining. See the above post...
Here's the thing pops_paolo, even in a what if scenario like this, you cannot completely throw out historical aspects that actually happened.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Look, I get it that you like Italy. That's cool, but we have to look at all the factors in this scenario.
France was a major power in 1940 Europe and Germany steam-rolled them, killing 390,000 French soldiers for the loss of 35,000 of their own.
Then let's look at how Italy did historically in Ethiopia and North Africa and put that historical performance into this scenario.
Just imagine Rommel unleashed against Italian troops and armor, which did not perform well historically against Allied elements.
France was a major power in 1940 Europe and Germany steam-rolled them, killing 390,000 French soldiers for the loss of 35,000 of their own.
Then let's look at how Italy did historically in Ethiopia and North Africa and put that historical performance into this scenario.
Just imagine Rommel unleashed against Italian troops and armor, which did not perform well historically against Allied elements.
Scots Irish and Welsh invade England and make the world wear skirts while dancing to strangled cat type music.I can do this too...
England sees that Italy has joined the allies and thinks all is lost because Italy is a huge major player you know. England joins forces with the Germans. The Royal Navy annihilates the Italian Navy. England and Germany take France and march to Moscow. England changes its language to German.
That's how these what ifs are won...
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
You and me both!!
I almost spit out my coffee.
Thats really the entire thing here.
1. Italy was not a major power.
2. They were ill equipped and poorly led.
You have to completely re-write Italian pre-war history to make this scenario work. That or change what the French and British do in Sept/October 1939.
Scotland has already run out of Croatia and Czech flags, all the ancient battles will be re lived on 18th June.
I almost spit out my coffee.
I can do this too...
England sees that Italy has joined the allies and thinks all is lost because Italy is a huge major player you know. England joins forces with the Germans. The Royal Navy annihilates the Italian Navy. England and Germany take France and march to Moscow. England changes its language to German.
That's how these what ifs are won...
I prefer Chris's scenario.
Rather be German than Scottish, hell I'd take being French over being Scottish anyday !
Thats true, but they had a lot of people and their navy was a danger. Take out the Italian navy and its presence from WW2 and the Battle of the Atlantic is much different. With equipment and training the Italians could be as any other, like the Polish and other nations contributions to Commonwealth forces. If Benito hadnt joined with Adolf, Adolf would have to invade to avoid having to keep huge armies in Austria south France and Romania.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Dunno, in WWI, when the Highlanders piped toward German lines, the Germans fell back because the "Ladies from Hell" advancing on their lines freaked them out.
As for this scenario, I have a feeling that emotions are a large factor. Italy has a long and rich history and had Mussolini not assumed control, I suspect that Italy may have remained neutral as their economy (like many other nations at the time) was in shambles.
As far as wanting alternate history based on ancestry goes, I could have a field day, since all my ancestors hail from countries that either no longer exist or are no longer sovereign.
I have Prussian, Saxon German, Highlander Scot and Oglala Sioux - just imagine the "what-ifs" we could come up with any of those...
Well if you have Scottish ancestry then we cant be friends anymore
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Historically, look at WW1 in the Alps between Austria and Italy. Much fighting, much dying, nothing accomplished. The border mostly the same as today. Italy was ally to France and Britain. How did that work out?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
You're just mad because they can throw telephone poles and you can't!Well if you have Scottish ancestry then we cant be friends anymore
The whole world envies people who can throw telegraph poles, internet FACT.You're just mad because they can throw telephone poles and you can't!
