Israeli Nuke Strike On Iran Averted ?

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  1. comiso90

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    I don't believe everything I read but this sounds plausible!

    Reporter Claims Israeli Nuke Strike On Iran Averted By U.S. Fighters

    Sources say F16 suicide mission armed with 20-kiloton bomb recalled by Israelis under threat of U.S. Sidewinder missile shootdown

    As escalation towards a war with Iran reaches fever pitch, an online journalist today breaks the astounding news that Israeli fighter jets have already attempted to bomb tactical locations in Iran with nuclear weapons nearly twice as powerful as the one dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, only to be turned back by U.S. warplanes over Iraq.

    William Thomas, familiar to many for his work in ascertaining the true nature of chemtrails, cites two sources with U.S. and other military contacts who told him that on two recent occasions Israeli fighter bombers armed with both conventional and nuclear weapons were turned back by U.S. planes under threat of missile interception.

    The latest incident occurred on January 7th, claims Thomas, in which jets trespassed beyond the authorized zone over Iraq "Before being recalled by Israeli authorities." Sources told Thomas that the attack squadron "Comprised three IAF F-16s. Each carried conventional munitions—as well as a single 20-kiloton nuclear bomb."

    Thomas goes into great depth about the circumstances behind the attempted raid in a near 5,000 word article posted on his website.

    According to Thomas' source, Israeli warplanes "Are routinely “topped off” by American aerial refueling tankers, but only on condition that the Israeli jets fly a “racetrack” holding pattern—and do not continue “downtown” toward Iran."

    The target of the January 7 raid was purported to be Iran's 3rd Tactical Air Base at Hamadan, where Revolutionary Guard troops and substantial weapons deposits are stationed. The source even suggested that the attack was designed to be a one way kamikaze mission whereby, "Volunteer pilots are prepared to fly their nuclear bombs “into their targets” if necessary."

    The news dovetails yesterday's scare, briefly provoked by a rumor that an Iranian missile had struck a U.S. naval vessel in the Gulf. "The bond market briefly pared losses on talk of possible military engagement between the United States and Iran, but turned back down after the Defense Department said the incident did not occur," reported Reuters.

    This followed reports on Wednesday that Iran had shot down a U.S. drone near its border.

    Reporter Claims Israeli Nuke Strike On Iran Averted By U.S. Fighters

    Israeli Nuke Strike On Iran Turned Back By USAF Over Iraq?
     
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    Sounds interesting.....but I am not sure about Israel trying to nuke Iran.....yet.
     
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    The source is a guy who promotes the "chemtrail" theory. :rolleyes:

    I don't buy it. Makes for a good read though. Wishful thinking that someone on this planet earth has the balls to put a stop to this before it's too late.
     
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    sadly that theory is real strong in a town of size - college of course - 45 minutes to my S.E. and is infecting some of the local populace
     
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    I'm not a believer either but I won't outright dismiss it...

    It's sad to say that sometimes the lunatic fringe news sources make real scoops.

    If it wasn't for "The Drudge Report" we may have never found out about Ms. Lewinski and her oral presentation skills.
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    Right there that tells me this guy is a kook. BTW I think I debated him on another forum - after 3 or 4 days of humilitating pounding he left the forum...

    Bullshit!
     
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    I like that one. :lol:
     
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    so Monica needs to be dropped over Tehran with her mouth wide open ? geez bummer for her

    nah Israel will do what it wants when it wants and with what it wants without the US being notified ......... it is all part of it's independent heritage
     
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    Find it hard to believe. Sooner or later the IAF will do something of the sort if Iran looks like getting nuclear warheads.
     
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    I agree... If they wanted to nuke Iran, they'd find a way.

    Even if we knew about it, we'd never admit it.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    LOL Agreed
     
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    I never thought they would have gotten away with bombing the reactor in Iraq (1981).

    Sure it caused increased animosity but there was no response!
    How the hell did they get away with that?

    BBC ON THIS DAY | 7 | 1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
     
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    Comiso no mid-east nation at the time in 81 was able and is still not able to put the hammer down on Israel, the Soviets and China are thinking about it but that is all for the moment. Tehran is full of big fluff, hot air, bad gas or whatever you want to call it. Israel has full potential right now to cause a death blow on persia if it feels but am glad to say it has restrained it's powerful arm ~
     
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    And isn't that what separates the Isrealis (and hte western world) from Arab/Islamic societies?
     
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    "William Thomas, familiar to many for his work in ascertaining the true nature of chemtrails"

    If that work concluded that it was only condensation, it would be one thing...

    Do you really think that the Israelis would be dumb enough to launch a nuclear attack unprovoked?

    They are smarter than that.
     
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    I don't necessarily think the Israelis will go nuclear with Iran but you can bet if they believe that Iran is getting in shape to threaten them with nuclear weapons(the only way they can strike Israel) the Israelis will strike first and the devil take the hindmost!
     
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    Define unprovoked
     
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    Chemtrails - My favorite subject! This was from another site I'm involved with. I didn't write it, but is says it all.....

    "The Chemtrail Hoax

    Six Reasons why "Chemtrails" are a Hoax
    I first heard about "chemtrails" about five years ago, from an individual on a pre-Y2k preparedness forum. About six months later, I logged onto one of the chemtrail forums, and followed many links, evaluating both pro-chemtrail and anti-chemtrail research. I have also talked to many people about these phenomena, including meteorologists, commercial airplane pilots/crew, and other aerospace engineers with direct experience with large fixed-wing aircraft. I came to conclusions that I would like to discuss below; but first, I'd like to tell you about me, because it may (or may not) give you some insights as to why I believe what I do.

    First, I want to emphasize that I do not speak for, or act as an agent for, my employer, The Boeing Company, in any way, shape, or form. My views are completely my own and do not necessarily reflect the views on anyone else at Boeing. As a matter of fact, I doubt if most of my colleagues have even heard of chemtrails. However, with thirty years in the aerospace/defense business, experience as a pilot (small aircraft only) and a habit of reading a lot, I hope that my views have something to back them up. Okay, here's my read on the view that some contrails are more than normal jet engine exhaust:

    It's completely bogus. The idea that long-lasting contrails are anything other than normal contrails, in my belief, fails on six counts:

    1. The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence.

    2. The logistics of a massive spraying program would be an order of magnitude higher than the Manhattan Project, the Apollo Moon Landing, or the Vietnam War -- and simply could not be hidden from any oversight.

    3. There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed.

    4. Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up by any reliable data (and is actually contradicted by others).

    5. There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone.

    6. Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions.

    Now let's look at those counts in a bit more detail.

    (1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.
    As a matter of fact, there is no evidence of any sort of plot of any kind by the Bilderbergers, Illuminati, International Zionists, CFR, NWO, the International House of Pancakes, or anyone else.

    Is our government corrupt and immoral? I believe so. Is the UN controlled by a bunch of socialist third-world losers with their hands out for the US to feed them and fight their wars for them? I think so, too. But that does NOT mean that they are heading a huge, secret, centuries-old plot to have the Black Helicopters Manned By Crack Bolivian Troops In Blue Berets Haul Us Off To The Secret Concentration Camps In Roachspit, Texas Where We Will Be Forced To Knit UN Flags And Eat Ebola-Burgers. It just means that they're crooks! So what else is new?

    (2) The logistics of a massive spraying program. In order to have the massive worldwide spraying that the chemtrail-protagonists talk about would require thousands of aircraft, flying 24/7 shifts, with the additional support infrastructure, a bazillion pilots and ground crew, and the combined efforts of every employee at Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and even Airbus Industrie. It isn't there.
    (3) There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed. The only things I have ever seen on an aircraft that shoot things out (besides the engine exhaust) is the toilet and the fuel dump orifices, often at the wing tip. If the aircraft are squirting chemicals out of the fuel dump nozzles, what's in the fuel tanks? Poisonous chemicals? Huh-uh. (One exception to this is a military version of a civilian aircraft called TACAMO, a Navy variant of the AWACS aircraft. It has these oddball nozzles near the base of the wings. But they're still fuel-dump nozzles; they've merely been moved inboard because the TACAMO has reconnaissance pods at the wingtips, and they don't want to jettison JP-8 over the million-dollar electronics.)

    Bear in mind that you don't just strap in a couple of big tanks and poke the nozzles out through the aircraft fuselage. There are VERY stringent engineering details to be worked out regarding structural integrity, movable center of gravity, environmental protection for the crew and poison-loaders, etc. Almost all major mods to an aircraft are done under subsequent contract to the original builder. Since no one at Boeing knows anything about such mods (and I've asked around) this means it either wasn't done, or everyone else (but me) in the company is in on the secret. Huh-uh.

    (4) Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up. One of the hypotheses of "chemtrails" is that they're toxic/infectious/bad juju. Various people report that they came down with flu-like symptoms after a heavy "spray day". As someone who does a lot of travel (domestic and international), I've flown out of a lot of airports and through a lot of other aircraft's contrails over the past five years.
    If the poison-chemtrail hypothesis had any merit, there would be tons of sick passengers crawling off the 0900 shuttle to LAX; I've never seen 'em, nor has anyone I've talked with. If there is some weird residue in the contrails other than water with traces of JP-8, you'd see aircraft taxiing into the concourse with some sort of crud over the leading edges. I've never seen any of that, nor has anyone I've talked with.
    One possible explanation for those flu-like symptoms? Flu. There's tons of it going around, and it's been that way since 1918.

    (5) There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone. With all the interest in this crud, why hasn't anyone ever flown up to a "chemtrail", sampled some of the stuff, and brought it back to a reputable lab for test and reported on it?
     
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    Pt. II


    One site purporting to talk about a laboratory testing a sample told how some individual scraped "something" off the side of a house, and sent it to one of the chemtrail protagonists. This individual sent it to a laboratory where he says they reported it had some bacteria in it. But then the individual says the lab "changed its mind" and said there was nothing wrong. Not only that, but our friend said he would not tell us the name of either the lab or the investigator because of ... of... something or other. That sure raises a credibility issue to me! Another researcher says he has the information, but he wants to be "compensated" for all the work he's put in before he tells us his tale. Puh-leez!

    If there were just one case of someone with any credibility collecting some of this junk before it falls to the earth and gets worms on it, then sends it to a lab where objective individuals can review it under open conditions and publish their findings, that might lend a bit more credence to the whole chemtrail business. I'm waiting, but I don't think I'll skip dinner.

    (6) Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions.

    But first, let?s take a minute and discuss what contrails are, anyway.

    Contrails happen when the water vapor from the jet?s exhaust freezes into an ice cloud. If the temperature is at or below ?40 degrees and the relative humidity is at a hundred percent or greater, then the ice cloud will stay frozen, and even act as a nucleus for other ice clouds to form around. This is why sometimes a contrail will ?spread? to form larger clouds. If you have enough aircraft flying and making contrails, and the atmospheric conditions at that altitude are ?proper? for contrail formation and persistence, then you can have the entire sky covered with thin clouds.

    If the temperature is above minus forty degrees or less than 100% relative humidity, then the ice crystals will sublime (turn back into gas without going through a liquid phase, like dry ice) in about a minute or less and the contrails will disappear.

    This increased cloud cover, by the way, can have serious long-term effects, when you think about it. More cloud cover means cooler days (because the clouds block the sunlight coming in during the day) and warmer nights (because the clouds block the heat radiating out into space at night). This ?diurnal temperature delta? or the difference between day and night temperatures, could have some long-term effects, because most plants and animals in a particular environment have adapted to a temperature difference of so many degrees. When this figure is left, the plants and animals might not be able to thrive.

    So when you put it this way, contrails can have a possible bad effect on the environment. But that?s not what the chemtrail-believers are talking about.

    Now to the ?weird chemtrails?:

    ?Dashed? contrails? Sometimes you?ll see contrails that start and stop, just like dashed lines. Some Chemtrail-believers say that such things are ?proof? of chemtrails, because the start and stop contrails are the result of the ?spray nozzles? getting stuck or something.

    Now does it seem kind of odd to you that a powerful gang running secret plot which includes a million people can?t seem to be able to keep a simple on-off nozzle working? Actually, the reasons that you have start-and-stop contrails is because the atmosphere is not constant and smooth; it?s very turbulent (which is why we have clouds and wind). It?s pretty common to have one spot at, say, 35,000 feet where the temperature/humidity is at ?40/100%, yet only a quarter mile away, the temperature?s a degree or so higher, or the humidity is a percentage point less. That?s enough to stop the contrail from persisting. And believe me, an aircraft flying at 550 miles per hour covers that quarter mile in just a couple of seconds!

    Circular contrails? Often, an airport may be backed up and the air traffic control folks might ?stack up? aircraft in a circular holding pattern for a half-hour (or even longer). If that plane?s flying in a circle at the proper temperature/humidity profile, you?ll see circular contrails.

    Two ?side-by-side? contrails, one that dissipates in a matter of minutes, and the other which persists for hours? The chances are that they?re not side-by-side, but one is a thousand feet or more higher than another. When you?re looking at aircraft at a cruising altitude, you simply can?t tell which aircraft is closer. You have no frame of reference except the sky, and besides six miles high is just too far for us to have any kind of depth perception at all.

    ?Tic-tac-toe? contrails? No matter where you live in the continental United States, you are probably within view of at least one North-South and one East-West air corridor. So you might be seeing three aircraft on the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth to LAX (Los Angeles International) corridor and four from Phoenix Sky Harbor to Seattle-Tacoma International corridor. These flights could be five minutes and two thousand feet apart, but if they?re high enough, you?ll see seven lines crossing ? just like a tic-tac-toe. (you probably won?t see any X?s or O?s, though).

    Conclusion

    So why the big deal with "Chemtrails"? I think there're popular on the boards for several reasons.

    1. Conspiracies are fun! If you think you know what they're REALLY doing, maybe it makes you feel more powerful and on the "inside". Only the "sheeple" believe all the government lies, where WE know better. You remember the sheeple, of course -- they were those poor fools who believed that Y2K was going to be, at worse, a bump in the road. Shows how dumb they were, right?

    2. Most chemtrail conspiracy theorists simply don't know much about things that would help them to disbelieve such hypotheses: stuff like engineering, meteorology, government procurement, military force structure, etc. But most importantly, the most of these individuals simply don't understand how scientific investigation and research works. They confuse opinion with facts, equate hypotheses with theories, do not reason logically, engage in ad hominem arguments, cannot or will not read peer-reviewed journals --- the list goes on and on.

    Maybe I shouldn't get so exercised about the whole chemtrail business. In a way, it's like the belief in the Easter Bunny -- it keeps the folks happy; and as long as they don't try to shoot down a "chemtrail" plane, or assassinate or otherwise harass people who disagree with them, they're harmless.

    But there are so many important things in the world that I consider a real priority -- Government intrusion into our lives, a nutburg foreign and domestic policy, the chance that a natural disaster may justify all those old Y2K preps, the pollution of our atmosphere and destruction of our environment by hydrocarbon burning -- that I hate to think that well-meaning but naive people on these and other forums are wasting their time on what is no more than a silly and cruel hoax."
     
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