MIflyer
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From Aviation News, Dec 1945.
J7W1 Shinden Pusher Fighter
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vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Such a beautiful plane.
GregP
Major
Found this one, among others ...
Always liked it, but I did see that the only pilot who flew it (twice) said it had severe vibration, probably driveshaft or propeller. it would have required some development, but that's nothing unusual in aircraft development from any era.
Always liked it, but I did see that the only pilot who flew it (twice) said it had severe vibration, probably driveshaft or propeller. it would have required some development, but that's nothing unusual in aircraft development from any era.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Just imagine the joy of having to bale out of that with the prospect of trying to avoid the pilot-blender lurking to the rear...
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I really hope they put her back together. It too much of a shame not having it on display.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
A little known fact, Greg, that on the it's first trial run, the Shinden suffered a prop-strike and the test had to be aborted. The prop was replaced and it went on to be flown afterwards, but I have always wondered if that had caused the shaft to warp from it's centerline, causing that vibration.
Also, not sure if anyone's aware of it or not, but there is actually vintage footage of the J7W being tested and flown. The video is poor quality, but it's awesome to see!
buffnut453
Captain
That, sir, gets you a bacon!
It was a surprisingly large and tall beast, wasn't it? A pilot might get a nose bleed just climbing into the cockpit!
It was a surprisingly large and tall beast, wasn't it? A pilot might get a nose bleed just climbing into the cockpit!
GregP
Major
I was under the impression that the prop could be jettisoned for bailout. Maybe an ejection seat? Not sure a lot of definitive data exists.
That feature (jettison the props) is incorporated on the Northrop N9M-B Flying Wing.
That feature (jettison the props) is incorporated on the Northrop N9M-B Flying Wing.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Thanks!
That is a real treat to see such a rare aircraft in action, isn't it?
It was definately a tall one, but so was the Yokosuka R2Y and the Do335, too.
Also the Do-335.
If you look closely you can see the bent tips on the video around the 1:30 mark.
Can't help but wonder if the XP-55 influenced this.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Not likely.
Many nations had been working on pusher-types for quite some time and there would be a similarity in evolution due to the constraints of flight properties.
The U.S. also had the Vultee XP-54, Northrop XP-56, Douglas XB-42, etc.
Germany had the Goppingen Go-9, Henschel P.75, Messerschmitt Me509 and so on.
There was also the Miles M.35, Saab 21, Ambrosini SS.4, Fokker F.XXV and the list goes on...
Tony Kambic
Airman 1st Class
I believe NASM does have the rest of the aircraft. I will pursue that information. It is noted on the web that this aircraft was powered by an Mitsubishi Ha 43 Model 11 (Ha 211 Ru).
I recently helped prepare the NASM Mitsubishi Ha 42 Model 14 (Ha 214 Ru) for loan to Japan for museum display. These two engines appear to be very similar and I assume we would not loan an engine if it was part of an aircraft. I also came across an image on the web of the Shinden in storage at Garber, and the rear part of the fuselage is in the image, but appears to be without engine.
I recently helped prepare the NASM Mitsubishi Ha 42 Model 14 (Ha 214 Ru) for loan to Japan for museum display. These two engines appear to be very similar and I assume we would not loan an engine if it was part of an aircraft. I also came across an image on the web of the Shinden in storage at Garber, and the rear part of the fuselage is in the image, but appears to be without engine.
After the prop ground strike, little wheels were installed at the bottom of the wing mounted rudders. I have read that these came from the flying concept demonstrator, though I don't know if I believe that.
Also, I have seen a picture of the rear view of a shiden without prop (and possibly engine) off in an overgrown field. Possibly this picture was taken sometime after the war in Japan. Does anyone know any additional information?
Also, I have seen a picture of the rear view of a shiden without prop (and possibly engine) off in an overgrown field. Possibly this picture was taken sometime after the war in Japan. Does anyone know any additional information?
Kyusyu Aircraft aka Watanabe Ironworks destroyed the airframes as well as drawings when the war was over.
Allied forces ordered Watanabe to restore one of them as well as drawings.
Propeller hub was designed to explode itself when bail out was necessary but I don't think the restored one has any explosives.
The J7W1 was designed so that it could mount a jet engine in the future as the J7W2.
Allied forces ordered Watanabe to restore one of them as well as drawings.
Propeller hub was designed to explode itself when bail out was necessary but I don't think the restored one has any explosives.
The J7W1 was designed so that it could mount a jet engine in the future as the J7W2.
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I've checked out the Shinden and its complete (its got some corrosion), but the Betty is only the forward fuselage (and engines?). The Shinden would have suffered the same problems as the Ascender in that it would have been stable enough in level flight but very likely awkward if not scary in maneuvering flight. To prevent this the level of stability needed would likely not be desirable for a WW2 combat aircraft. The rear prop does make for good speed, though, the Do335 demonstrating 48mph more speed on the rear prop than the front, and that rear prop was smaller.
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MIflyer
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The USAF had a problem with the O-2 in that the rear engine provided considerably more thrust than the front engine, but it was much less obvious when the rear engine quit. They had to add additional alarms to let the pilot knew when the rear engine quit, to prevent him from getting into trouble by doing some maneuvers with the rear engine dead.
