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They do have lots of hands-on experience though, as do the Indians. Pakistanis too, for that matter.pbfoot said:Israelis are good but the terrain they fly over is pretty tame and their foes are lacking a bit
R988 said:India would probably rate a mention, they have seen a bit of action themselves over the years and the sheer diversity of equipment they use gives them a good basis of knowledge for developing tactics and their historical record is pretty good.
Just dont mention COPE India
FLYBOYJ said:R988 said:India would probably rate a mention, they have seen a bit of action themselves over the years and the sheer diversity of equipment they use gives them a good basis of knowledge for developing tactics and their historical record is pretty good.
Just dont mention COPE India
While I agree about India having a good airforce, the Cope India story has another slant, and I'm not throwing that in becuase I'm from the USA. Althought the IAF's performance was commendable, do you know they were engaging F-15s at a 5 to 1 numerical superiority in their favor?!?! With their SU-27s no wonder why they won!!! This is discussed in detail at ASIG and some of the members posted the referances where this was later revealed....
The IAF has also fared well against the USAF during excersizes....
Hunter368 said:FLYBOYJ said:R988 said:India would probably rate a mention, they have seen a bit of action themselves over the years and the sheer diversity of equipment they use gives them a good basis of knowledge for developing tactics and their historical record is pretty good.
Just dont mention COPE India
While I agree about India having a good airforce, the Cope India story has another slant, and I'm not throwing that in becuase I'm from the USA. Althought the IAF's performance was commendable, do you know they were engaging F-15s at a 5 to 1 numerical superiority in their favor?!?! With their SU-27s no wonder why they won!!! This is discussed in detail at ASIG and some of the members posted the referances where this was later revealed....
The IAF has also fared well against the USAF during excersizes....
Joe has the IAF and the USAF ever had "Topgun" type mock air combats etc ? If yes how did they turn out? Can you help with this ?
FLYBOYJ said:Hunter368 said:FLYBOYJ said:R988 said:India would probably rate a mention, they have seen a bit of action themselves over the years and the sheer diversity of equipment they use gives them a good basis of knowledge for developing tactics and their historical record is pretty good.
Just dont mention COPE India
While I agree about India having a good airforce, the Cope India story has another slant, and I'm not throwing that in becuase I'm from the USA. Althought the IAF's performance was commendable, do you know they were engaging F-15s at a 5 to 1 numerical superiority in their favor?!?! With their SU-27s no wonder why they won!!! This is discussed in detail at ASIG and some of the members posted the referances where this was later revealed....
The IAF has also fared well against the USAF during excersizes....
Joe has the IAF and the USAF ever had "Topgun" type mock air combats etc ? If yes how did they turn out? Can you help with this ?
Yes they have and that is exactly what Cope India is about - the key phrase here is "Dissimilar Aircraft Training," mock combat with a friendly nation who possesses Russian Equipment, the most likely hardware the US will face if challenged in a conflict.
In 2004 several F-15 went over to India and essentially got their butts kicked, but when the actual scenarios were examined the F-15 was being challenged 4 and 5 to one. Now one may say "that isn't fair," but the F-15 is SUPPOSED to take on those numbers and win. One item brought up was the advanced radar found on the Su-27, a reason cited for the F-15s supposively dismal performance
Hunter368 said:FLYBOYJ said:Hunter368 said:FLYBOYJ said:R988 said:India would probably rate a mention, they have seen a bit of action themselves over the years and the sheer diversity of equipment they use gives them a good basis of knowledge for developing tactics and their historical record is pretty good.
Just dont mention COPE India
While I agree about India having a good airforce, the Cope India story has another slant, and I'm not throwing that in becuase I'm from the USA. Althought the IAF's performance was commendable, do you know they were engaging F-15s at a 5 to 1 numerical superiority in their favor?!?! With their SU-27s no wonder why they won!!! This is discussed in detail at ASIG and some of the members posted the referances where this was later revealed....
The IAF has also fared well against the USAF during excersizes....
Joe has the IAF and the USAF ever had "Topgun" type mock air combats etc ? If yes how did they turn out? Can you help with this ?
Yes they have and that is exactly what Cope India is about - the key phrase here is "Dissimilar Aircraft Training," mock combat with a friendly nation who possesses Russian Equipment, the most likely hardware the US will face if challenged in a conflict.
In 2004 several F-15 went over to India and essentially got their butts kicked, but when the actual scenarios were examined the F-15 was being challenged 4 and 5 to one. Now one may say "that isn't fair," but the F-15 is SUPPOSED to take on those numbers and win. One item brought up was the advanced radar found on the Su-27, a reason cited for the F-15s supposively dismal performance
Really??? wow I thought (heard mostly on USA programs, we all know how unbiased they can be, hehe just a joke at my USA neighbor not serious) how the F-15 has been "THE" fighter in the world, top everything about it. The Su-27 has better radar than the F-15? I thought it was the Caddy of fighters still today.
Canadian programs are as bad or worse at times, and that's not a joke.Hunter368 said:(heard mostly on USA programs, we all know how unbiased they can be, hehe just a joke at my USA neighbor not serious)
I would think the F-22 would win, but it would be very interesting to see.the lancaster kicks ass said:i'd still love to see the results of a F/A-22 (still doesn't seem right calling it that) against a Eurofighter.........
Nonskimmer said:Canadian programs are as bad or worse at times, and that's not a joke.Hunter368 said:(heard mostly on USA programs, we all know how unbiased they can be, hehe just a joke at my USA neighbor not serious)
the lancaster kicks ass said:i'd still love to see the results of a F/A-22 (still doesn't seem right calling it that) against a Eurofighter.........
the lancaster kicks ass said:do you have any more info on this it sounds interesting?
FLYBOYJ said:Althought the IAF's performance was commendable, do you know they were engaging F-15s at a 5 to 1 numerical superiority in their favor?!?! With their SU-27s no wonder why they won!!!