Navy Intercepts Russian Bombers

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  1. ToughOmbre

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    Feb 11 06:04 PM US/Eastern
    By LOLITA C. BALDOR
    Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. fighter planes intercepted two Russian bombers, including one that buzzed an American aircraft carrier in the western Pacific during the weekend, The Associated Press has learned.

    A U.S. military official says that one Russian Tupolev 95 flew directly over the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz twice, at a low altitude of about 2,000 feet, while another bomber circled about 58 miles out. The official was speaking on condition of anonymity because the reports on the flights were classified as secret.

    The Saturday incident, which never escalated beyond the flyover, comes amid heightened tensions between the United States and Russia over U.S. plans for a missile defense system based in Poland and the Czech Republic.

    Such Russian bomber flights were common during the Cold War, but have been rare since.

    The bombers were among four Russian Tupolev 95s launched from Ukrainka in the middle of the night, including one that Japanese officials say violated their country's airspace over an uninhabited island south of Tokyo.

    U.S. officials tracked and monitored the bombers as two flew south along the Japanese coast, and two others flew farther east, coming closer to the Nimitz and the guided missile cruiser USS Princeton.

    As the bombers got about 500 miles out from the U.S. ships, four F/A- 18 fighters were launched from the Nimitz, the official said. The fighters intercepted the Russian bombers about 50 miles south of the Nimitz.

    At least two U.S. F/A-18 Hornets trailed the bomber as it came in low over the Nimitz twice, while one or two of the other U.S. fighters followed the second bomber as it circled.

    The official said there were no verbal communications between the U.S. and the Russians, and the Pentagon has not heard of any protests being filed by the United States. Historically, diplomatic protests were not filed in such incidents because they were so common during the Cold War era.

    This is the first time Russian Tupolevs have flown over or interacted with a U.S. carrier since 2004.

    In that incident, a Russian Tupolev flew over the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk in the Sea of Japan on Jan. 29, 2004. Since then, however, relations between the U.S. and Russia have deteriorated to their worst point since the Cold War, largely due to the United States' plans to put a radar system in the Czech Republic and 10 missile defense interceptors in Poland.

    The U.S. has defended the plan as necessary to protect its European allies from possible attacks by Iran. But the Kremlin has condemned the proposal, saying it would threaten Russia's security.

    "We are being forced to take retaliatory steps," said Russian President Vladimir Putin, who also warned that a new arms race is under way.

    Japan, meanwhile, filed a formal protest with the Russian Embassy in Tokyo after Saturday's incident, saying that one of the Russian bombers crossed into Japanese airspace for three minutes. Russia has denied there was an intrusion.

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    50 miles is too close...
    It's not like the bombers were traveling at mach 2.

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    Can the U.S. afford a arms race with so much $$ in Iraq and Afghanistan to name a few?
     
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    There won't be an arms race; the U.S can continue develop at the current rate while Russia struggles to catch up at full speed, then overheat and burn again.
     
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    No kidding. Why would they let them get that close?

    Oh, BTW Cosmo...........love the siggy!
     
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    Methinks the airspace out over the ocean belongs to no one. There was a
    CAP launched, so if the Russians tried something they would pay with their
    lives. And.... they knew that !

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    This kind of thing has been happening for 50 years; as Charles rightly states the airspace over open ocean belongs to no one. The Russians were simply testing the water, so to speak. They wouldn't have been carrying anything except a few polaroid cameras and playboy magazines.

    If the U.S saw a credible threat to their task force then they would have intercepted them long before 50 miles.
     
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    What was cool was the pic of the F-22 with wing tanks with the Tu-142 in the background. Don't see that often.
     
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    Thanks!... the mighty Skyrocket!

    Thats not how the game is played. You know the Russians from the ground crew to the Kremlin were treating it like a victory over the fat, lazy Americans with their precious, bloated Carriers..

    I'd like to see them intercepted 200 miles out but that may mean CAP on the periphery... and very expensive aviation fuel and maintenance costs.


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    I agree it was not much of a threat but more a statement, and yes if they were credible threats they be splashed long before 50 miles.
    My thought, I'm not American so look at it from your neighbor to the north. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see the U.S. military anywhere near the Reagan days.
    It is said your slipping into a depression, gold and oil reserves are a a low. So I look at both numbers and development and can America afford to keep the edge and take losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the fact it gives information about present hardware that China, thanks ti Israel, Russia and N.Korea are surely interested in how weapons work against Armour for example.
    As well are the former Soviet block now NATO countries still using some Soviet equipment? Ak-47 a quick example! If this continues to escalate won't that mean a change to NATO issue arms would be needed?
    I am I think a bit OT but it brought a lot of questions I don't have the knowledge to answer my own questions.
     
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    On the contrary, allowing the Soviets *ahem* Russians believe they've achieved something is just laughing in their faces. The U.S were tracking them from the off, if they were seen as a threat then they would have been intercepted much-much earlier and I think the Russians know this. During the Cold War the Soviet bombers were buzzing U.S ships with U.S fighters in 'escort' - it's all a big game.
     
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    The Russians like to think they are playing cat and mouse with the U.S....in fact they are playing by themselves...
     
  13. Lucky13

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    Tell me something, why would US want to plant a missile defence system in Czech Republic and Poland, are they members of NATO? Also, isn't this ALMOST the same as with the Cuba crisis in the 60's? (I know that it was missiles that time but still).....
     
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    NATO members, yes. Guess that's why. The USSR put OFFENSIVE missiles in Cuba in 1962. Not the same as a missile defense system (IMO). Still nothing more than Russia slowly returning to the Cold War tactics of the post WW II era.

    And here's a list of the current NATO members.....

    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Canada
    Czech Rep
    Denmark
    Estonia
    France
    Germany
    Greece
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Netherlands
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Turkey
    United Kingdom
    United States

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    I'm sure the US was tracking the planes for some time...The US tracks all of Russia's movements ...And I'm sure Russia tracks all of the US's movements ... I'm sure no one can do anything in this world with out the other side keeping an eye on it...I'm with PlanD on this .. They let them get that close...
     
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    Thanks TO.....wasn't too sure and too lazy to lazy look it up myself....:lol: Here's another question to stir things up a bit.....Does NATO have the same importance today as it had when the Warsaw Pact existed?
     
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    Same importance? Ask Russia. They view NATO as a serious threat. While at the same time WARSAW PACT has crumbled. Look at Afghanistan. That is a "NATO" force over there. Who would have thunk that in the '80s. And then look at France and her embrace of NATO and other countries investing in materiel for regional conflicts outside of Europe. NATO is a different animal these days.
     
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    The bombers were probably tracked........at the moment the U.S. can't afford to war with any country especially RUSSIA
     
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    At any moment, any country cannot afford to war with any country.

    War is just another step in tough politics.

    Don't believe me? Look at history.
     
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    No i Believe you i didn't even say anything..............:(
     
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