You're a joke GregP..
The 109's wings could take up to 13 G !!
I'd like to see all ten please.
That is so very untrue, and just shows how little you really know on the subject !
The Ta-152H pretty much proved itself invincible at low altitude, aqcuiring an 11 to 0 kill ratio ! And the pilots who flew the bird all made it quite clear that there was NO allied fighter they couldn't out-maneuver or out-run.
The Ta-152H didn't just turn excellently at high altitude, compared to other fighters it turned even better at low alt. The no.1 recommendation given to the Ta-152H pilots was infact to turn fight the enemy fighters, the high AR wings providing very high lift and very little drag in turns.
Again you know nothing of what you're talking about GregP... The Ta-152H only fought at low altitude during WW2, so please go another place to spread your lies.
Oh brother, you're comparing a prop fighter to these ?![Roll Eyes :rolleyes: :rolleyes:](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
Again you rely on the dubious Allied test reports.
Infact the P-51 had greater issues with its elevators than the Bf-109 ever did:
Robert C. Curtis - P-51 Pilot:
My flight chased 12 109s south of Vienna. They climbed and we followed, unable to close on them. At 38,000 feet I fired a long burst at one of them from at least a 1000 yards, and saw some strikes. It rolled over and dived and I followed but soon reached compressibility with severe buffeting of the tail and loss of elevator control. I slowed my plane and regained control, but the 109 got away.
On two other occasions ME 109s got away from me because the P 51d could not stay with them in a high-speed dive. At 525-550 mph the plane would start to porpoise uncontrollably and had to be slowed to regain control.
Thomas L. Hayes - P-51 Pilot:
Thomas L. Hayes, Jr. recalled diving after a fleeing Me-109G until both aircraft neared the sound barrier and their controls locked. Both pilots took measures to slow down, but to Hayes' astonishment, the Me-109 was the first to pull out of its dive. As he belatedly regained control of his Mustang, Hayes was grateful that the German pilot chose to quit while he was ahead and fly home instead of taking advantage of Hayes' momentary helplessness.
Finnish pilots;
Kyösti Karhila, Finnish Bf-109 pilot:
The Messerschmitt became stiff to steer not until the speed exceeded 700kmh. The control column was as stiff as it had been fastened with tape, you could not use the ailerons. Yet you could control the plane."
Väinö Pokela, Finnish Bf-109 pilot:
"-Many claim that the MT becomes stiff as hell in a dive, difficult to bring up in high speed, the controls lock up?
Nnnooo, they don't lock up.
It was usually because you exceeded diving speed limits. Guys didn't remember you shouldn't let it go over.
The controls don't lock up, they become stiffer of course but don't lock. And of course you couldn't straighten up (shows a 'straightening' from a dive directly up) like an arrow."
The dive speed limit of the 109 is 750 km/h !
Oh I would so like to hear it personally from their mouths, esp. since I've talked to so many of them !
The 109's wings could take up to 13 G !!
I seriously believe that about the Fw 190. When I hear the same thing once or twice, I may doubt it. Ten pilot reports saying the same thing get my attention.
I'd like to see all ten please.
The Ta-152 turned quite well at high altitudes, but was extremely vulnerable to "regular" Allied fighters at lower altitudes ...
That is so very untrue, and just shows how little you really know on the subject !
The Ta-152H pretty much proved itself invincible at low altitude, aqcuiring an 11 to 0 kill ratio ! And the pilots who flew the bird all made it quite clear that there was NO allied fighter they couldn't out-maneuver or out-run.
The Ta-152H didn't just turn excellently at high altitude, compared to other fighters it turned even better at low alt. The no.1 recommendation given to the Ta-152H pilots was infact to turn fight the enemy fighters, the high AR wings providing very high lift and very little drag in turns.
and it had to get through the lower altitudes while ascending and descending from height. So, all we had to do was wait on it and it would come to us eventually
Again you know nothing of what you're talking about GregP... The Ta-152H only fought at low altitude during WW2, so please go another place to spread your lies.
... same as the Me 262 and Me 163 did. Kill 'em when they land ...
Oh brother, you're comparing a prop fighter to these ?
I have read extensively on the Bf 109, not just William Green. All of the Allied testing I have read (including Russian tests) points to a general stiffening at anything over 350 mph, becomming almost rigid at 400 mph and above. All also indicated the Bf 109 to be excellent at 220 to 330 mph, right where it was designed to be.
Again you rely on the dubious Allied test reports.
Infact the P-51 had greater issues with its elevators than the Bf-109 ever did:
Robert C. Curtis - P-51 Pilot:
My flight chased 12 109s south of Vienna. They climbed and we followed, unable to close on them. At 38,000 feet I fired a long burst at one of them from at least a 1000 yards, and saw some strikes. It rolled over and dived and I followed but soon reached compressibility with severe buffeting of the tail and loss of elevator control. I slowed my plane and regained control, but the 109 got away.
On two other occasions ME 109s got away from me because the P 51d could not stay with them in a high-speed dive. At 525-550 mph the plane would start to porpoise uncontrollably and had to be slowed to regain control.
Thomas L. Hayes - P-51 Pilot:
Thomas L. Hayes, Jr. recalled diving after a fleeing Me-109G until both aircraft neared the sound barrier and their controls locked. Both pilots took measures to slow down, but to Hayes' astonishment, the Me-109 was the first to pull out of its dive. As he belatedly regained control of his Mustang, Hayes was grateful that the German pilot chose to quit while he was ahead and fly home instead of taking advantage of Hayes' momentary helplessness.
Finnish pilots;
Kyösti Karhila, Finnish Bf-109 pilot:
The Messerschmitt became stiff to steer not until the speed exceeded 700kmh. The control column was as stiff as it had been fastened with tape, you could not use the ailerons. Yet you could control the plane."
Väinö Pokela, Finnish Bf-109 pilot:
"-Many claim that the MT becomes stiff as hell in a dive, difficult to bring up in high speed, the controls lock up?
Nnnooo, they don't lock up.
It was usually because you exceeded diving speed limits. Guys didn't remember you shouldn't let it go over.
The controls don't lock up, they become stiffer of course but don't lock. And of course you couldn't straighten up (shows a 'straightening' from a dive directly up) like an arrow."
The dive speed limit of the 109 is 750 km/h !
That comes from multiple sources, all pilot reports I might add, and is confirmed by pilot reports from Merlin-engined Spanish 109s as well.
Oh I would so like to hear it personally from their mouths, esp. since I've talked to so many of them !