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Those are some very nice examples right there GG, the M98 is a Turk isn't it ?
And about the iron sights, I completely agree, the V sights ar the most accurate providing you have good eyesight, if not the peep sight is better.
Thank You, Soren!
The Mauser has, beleive it or not, Prussian ordinance markings on it, and at the receiver, the Imperial eagle and the date of 1912 directly below it.
The Mauser's bayonette has Imperial German markings and is not the original issued with the rifle. But no surprise there, as things were pretty chaotic so things bound to get mixed up back then. I do have the "frog" that goes with the bayonette's sheath, too.
Aaah I see, then it is probably a rebuilt Kar98b, explaining the stock.
Have you noted wether all the parts have matching numbers ?
All numbers on the weapon are matching
And about the iron sights, I completely agree, the V sights ar the most accurate providing you have good eyesight, if not the peep sight is better.
Well every man has his preference, but the eagle eyes at my shooting club prefer the V-sights when shooting over open sights. The others, which is the majority, prefer the peep sights.
The thing that is designed to withstand certain pressures is the 8x57mm cartridge, which is the same as the 30.06 = 60,000 + psi.
I am curious about the S&B powder primer combos. I load my 30-06 (24" shilen, M700 action and 23" barrel w/M70 pre-64) both with 58.0 gr RL22, F210 primers and winchester brass- and they shoot very well with 200gr Accubonds ~ 2690-2730 fps. From various references the pressure appears to be in the 56,000-58,000 psi range and shows zero signs of pressure. I check head diameter and measure case expansion as well as the usual suspects.
I noticed that all the US 8x57 loads are much tamer in the Nosler and Hogdon manuals but the 8mm-06 has slightly only slightly lower ballistics with 200gr Accubond and 55gr IMR4350~2630fps than the 30-06 load above. RL 22 is a slower burning powder which should help explain similar pressures.
Std. European 8x57mm loads are ~48,000 psi IIRC, same as the German military sS round, but they can reach 60,000 psi (LW ammo). The American loads are usually grossly underpowered and none meet the European std., the reason being a fear of full power 8x57mm ammo being fired through the old M1888 rifle which wont handle the pressures.
The M98 action will handle 70,000+ psi so nothing to worry about there. (Just remember that the Mauser 1888 won't handle the loads, so be sure it's a M98)
At 48,000 psi the sS round's MV out of a 600mm barrell is 760 m/s (Some list 775 m/s). I chronographed a 1938 batch of 198 gr sS ammo to an average of just over 780 m/s through my K98k, the higher velocity probably stemming from the storage of this old ammo crystalizing the powder particles.
As for Sellier Bellot's ammo, the pressures are around 47,000 to 48,000 psi, firing the 196 gr bullet at 790 m/s through a 600mm barrel.
I am curious about the S&B powder primer combos. I load my 30-06 (24" shilen, M700 action and 23" barrel w/M70 pre-64) both with 58.0 gr RL22, F210 primers and winchester brass- and they shoot very well with 200gr Accubonds ~ 2690-2730 fps. From various references the pressure appears to be in the 56,000-58,000 psi range and shows zero signs of pressure. I check head diameter and measure case expansion as well as the usual suspects.
I noticed that all the US 8x57 loads are much tamer in the Nosler and Hogdon manuals but the 8mm-06 has slightly only slightly lower ballistics with 200gr Accubond and 55gr IMR4350~2630fps than the 30-06 load above. RL 22 is a slower burning powder which should help explain similar pressures.
I wonder if they are using RL 15 or Viht N150?
760 m/s is plenty fast Charles, and the effective range of the German round is a good deal longer than that of any Allied round (Watch tables below). The US marine sniper's std. sniping round is the 172gr M118 FMJ-BT (BC: .494) which has a MV of 730 m/s and is fired very accurately out to 900m. The 7.92mm 12.8 g sS projectile can be fired accurately at even longer ranges.
For excellent long range accuracy you need a heavy, stable and very low drag projectile (Streamlined), muzzle velocity is of less importance.
A WW2 German sniper was easily capable of taking down a standing man at 800+ m meters with one shot, and like the veterans specialists say chest hits were achieved out to beyond 800m without fail for experienced snipers. German snipers used to pick off Allied soldiers all the way out to 1,200m, just to show the Allies that they couldn't even feel safe at that range. However it was recommended not to shoot until the target was within atmost 800m, as target ID was then possible.
G7 = Drag function for FMJ-BT projectiles
G1 = Drag function for most projectiles incl. FMJ spitzers.
7.92mm 12.8 g (198 gr) sS Geschoss (FMJ-BT), BC = .584, MV = 760 m/s:
Max range
Ballistics / Trajectory
7.62mm 9.7 g (150 gr) M2 Ball (FMJ Spitzer), BC = .420, MV = 853 m/s:
Max range
Ballistics / Trajectory
That's total BS. Why ?
1.) There were no German snipers in Stalingrad.