SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
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In a much simpler world, the F4 filled the "low" slot in a de facto F15/F16-style high/low mix where "high" was the F111, although the concept of "high/low mix" was not a thing yet. The battlespace was a much simpler place back then.
Interesting that in both cases it was the "low" aircraft that hit the sweet spot in all around effectiveness (sorry, Biff!). Do we have a trend here? Stay tuned, kids!
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Dear God, here we go again with the old "F-16 defeats F-35" nugget...
Yes, an F-16 bested an F-35, but what they don't mention, is that it was an F-35 prototype without the pilot feedback warfare electronics installed.
There's a huge difference between a mock encounter with a test-bed and actual combat, FFS.
Yes, an F-16 bested an F-35, but what they don't mention, is that it was an F-35 prototype without the pilot feedback warfare electronics installed.
There's a huge difference between a mock encounter with a test-bed and actual combat, FFS.
AND a huge difference between an actual close-in knife fight setup and a real world engagement that begins BVR.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
In an age when missiles have ranges of 80-100 miles, if you're caught in a dogfight you've probably done something pretty wrong.
Or have antiquated ECM.
F-35: Capabilities, Missions, Kinematics, Role In Ukrainian Crisis And Beyond. Interview With Billie Flynn
"The F-35 was designed to operate in highly contested airspace, with capabilities precisely focused on what we have been seeing in Ukraine today." We have
theaviationist.com
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Just saw this, looks like the Israelis are the first to put the F-35 to work 
www.thedrive.com
Israel Shows The F-35’s First Aerial Kill In Newly Declassified Video
The incident involved an Iranian flying-wing drone carrying small arms to Hamas fighters over a very long distance.
www.thedrive.com
Czech Republic To Buy 24 F-35s Amid Russia's War on Ukraine, Ministry Says
“Given the worsening security situation,” Prague says, it must bolster air forces now.
www.defenseone.com
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Alot of countries are buying into this platform, the next upgrade is substantial, engine, cooling and electronics and yet theres still nay sayers. All the buyers can't be that stupid.Czech Republic To Buy 24 F-35s Amid Russia's War on Ukraine, Ministry Says
“Given the worsening security situation,” Prague says, it must bolster air forces now.
It's almost like everything is all part of Lockheeds plan. Everything including the Ukraine War. All to increase sales…
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Was on Schiermonikoog last week and saw a 322 squadron practising over the Waddenzee. First time I've seen our new F35's.
Yeah, they are a bit loud, but so is the F16 I think.
buffnut453
Captain
They are obnoxiously loud aren't they?
Every base I go to, people always curse them.
Hear them every day in the circuit here at Hill AFB. Haven't cursed them yet.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I used to live near MCAS El Toro back in the time of the F-4 - now that aircraft defined the word "loud".
Snautzer01
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Who can not love the sound of a freedom enforcer?
I find then much louder in an obnoxious way.
At Hill for example, when a 22, 16, 15, or 10 fly by everyone hardly notices, but when a 35 goes by they all curse it for the noise level.
Hear them every day in the circuit here at Hill AFB. Haven't cursed them yet.
You are the first then. When I am at the hangar there, the guts are always complaining. Same at Edwards.
The only place it did not bother me was at the Hill Golf Course having lunch.
Edit: and you are weird then.
