Ta152-H1 uber-fighter?

[Erich]

checking the Mustang files/ops reports there are a few that indicate is somewhat surprised fashion a new Fw 190 - Long nose as it was called and more and more of these of course were engaged like JG 2's, the British with JG 26's as examples. we do know that the US 56th fg engaged JG 301 on at least 1-2 occasions and this in my belief were the Dora-9's of the Geschwader, even the US 9th AF seeking low level strikes were probably engaged as well by JG 301 running back and forth between Soviet and US lines.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

More from Wiki...

"Because of the greater length of runway it required, and the slow acceleration it had at low speeds, the Me 262 was especially vulnerable during take-off and landing. Galland thus established his own protection squadron, the Platzschutzstaffel (Airfield protection squadron), headed by Lieutenant Heinz Sachsenberg, to provide air cover for takeoffs and landings.

The Platzschutzstaffel flew the long-nosed 'Dora', Fw-190 D-9, or Fw-190 D-11 variant of the well-known Fw 190. These aircraft were painted bright red on their wings' undersurfaces with contrasting white stripes so anti-aircraft batteries could distinguish them from Allied piston-engined aircraft, leading to their humorous postwar nickname of the Papagei Staffel (Parrot squadron). The Staffel was nicknamed "Die Würger-Staffel", a play on the common nickname for the BMW 801 radial-engined original A-version of the Fw 190, which was Würger or Butcher-bird."

From "Jagdverband 44 "

 

[GregP]

The Fw 190D that was in the Doug Champlin collection for many years was a D-11. I heard it run once in 1985, and it sounded different from the standard Merlins and Allisons we know and love. Wish it would fly occasionally, but you never know. Paul Allen might fly it sooner or later. He tends to do that ... we can hope.

 

[beaupower32]

there is a video of it running on youtube, but from what I read, it will probably never fly as it is the only example in the world that is near air-worthy condition....

Here is that video....
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5LBUVS1T8

 

[Siegfried]

An early Ta 152 combat occurred on 14 April 1945 when Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke tried to intercept a De Havilland Mosquito over Stendal, but failed to catch up due to engine trouble.[9][page needed] On the evening of that same day, Reschke was to demonstrate that the Ta 152H could be used as a low altitude fighter. A section of four Hawker Tempest Vs of 486(NZ) Squadron were out on patrol. After attacking a train near Ludwigslust, the section split up into pairs; Wing Commander Brooker ordered the Tempests flown by Flying Officer S.J. Short and Warrant Officer Owen J. Mitchell to make their own way back to base. On the way back, this pair, which was strafing targets along the railway tracks near Ludwigslust, was spotted by lookouts posted at Neustadt-Glewe. Three Ta 152s—flown by Reschke, Oberstleutnant Aufhammer and Oberfeldwebel Sepp Sattler—were scrambled, catching the Tempests by surprise. Reschke declared:

The Ta 152 score at the end of the war was likely seven victories and four losses in air combat (a degree of uncertainty about those numbers exists). Four victories were achieved by Josef Keil, from 1 March 1945 to 21 April 1945.[18] The statement that he had five victories on Ta 152 is unsubstantiated and is shown to be false by matching score table and dates. The Ta 152 was delivered to JG 301 on 27 February 1945 and the first Ta 152 combat action against American bombers happened on 2 March 1945,[19] so his victory against a B-17 on 20 February 1945 couldn't have been achieved flying that type of fighter. Alternatively, this results from an incorrect reading of published sources such as Lowe [20] because JG 301 had the Ta 152 in service from late January 1945, and individual missions such as Keil's could well have been flown. At least three victories were achieved by Willi Reschke.[21]

The four losses in air combat were: Hptm. Hermann Stahl, KIA on 11 April 1945; Obfw. Sepp Sattler, KIA on 14 April 1945; two unknown JG11 pilots, downed by Spitfires in the last days of April 1945 during transfer from Neustadt-Glewe to Leck airfield.[22]:

Sattlers crash was witnessed from the ground by the commander of II.JG 301 Haupmann Roderich Cescotti. Sattler dived on to a tempest, apparently setting it alight but failed to recover from the dive.

Getting involved in a turning fight with a Ta 152H was not a sound idea and should've been avoided by the NZ/RAF tempest pilot Oewn Mitchell, who lost his life; I expect he had not identified the Ta 152 nor was he aware of its turning abillities given its new nature.

In June 1943 Reschke served with Jagdgruppe 102, in Zerbst to undergo operational training. On completion of training, Unteroffizier Reschke was posted to 1 staffel, Jagdgeschwader 302, based near Vienna in June 1944. Reschke thus was not much more experienced than Mitchell though he had 'on the job trainging'.

 

[Erich]

Sattlers demise is getting further coverage in my book on JG 301, one of the oddities is just where the JG 301 personell on the ground were truly located to view the air engagment, some British sources are saying the action(s) took place over a mile away. Also Sattler may have been the only JG 301 piloting a TA shot down in combat.

 

[Milosh]

Someones take on the combat.

Ludwigslust aerial combat

 

[Kryten]

I understood Sattler was late off and went down before he caught up with the rest of the flight, which had attacked a flight of Tempests on a ground attack mission?

a second flight of tempests claimed an FW in the time and place of Sattlers demise so cant really see the debate on this one?