That is just as true for any escort version of the Spitfire as it is for the P-47. It's true for all aircraft - you have to burn more fuel to carry more fuel.
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That is just as true for any escort version of the Spitfire as it is for the P-47. It's true for all aircraft - you have to burn more fuel to carry more fuel.The Jug suffers from the law of diminishing returns very quickly, it's a fuel pig and needs lots of it, trouble is the more it carries the more it needs so it's in a no win situation.
The 31st & 52nd FG had Spitfire Mk.V while in the UK and on beginning operations in North Africa. They only began to receive some Mk.VIII & IX in Spring 1943 while in North Africa.BEFORE Eagle squadrons became 4th FG with Spit IX in October 1942 the following US FGs were assigned 8th AF, in-country and flying combat missions:
31st FG (Spit IX) - 29 Aug 42
52nd FG (Spit IX) flew combat misions TDY RAF,but based in UK in July 1942
Off the P-39.Did the bomber mafia steal the Yamamoto mission off the P-47 or was the P-38 chosen because of its longer range?
That's right, but look at the consumption figures for the Jug compared to the Spitfire and Mustang, it's double. It's like comparing two 4wd wagons, one a petrol V8 the other a turbo diesel 6, the turbo diesel is always going to use less fuel while driving the same distance.That is just as true for any escort version of the Spitfire as it is for the P-47. It's true for all aircraft - you have to burn more fuel to carry more fuel.
Eagle Squadron 133 - 336FS/4th had an operational mix leaning to Spit IX in September. 336 Squadron lost 12 MkIX on Sepember 26, 1942 but believe you are correct that the replacements were Spit V's and they carried into P-47 conversion. As 133 Sq didn't become 336FS until a couple of days later I stand corrected.The 31st & 52nd FG had Spitfire Mk.V while in the UK and on beginning operations in North Africa. They only began to receive some Mk.VIII & IX in Spring 1943 while in North Africa.
On transfer to the USAAF the Eagle squadrons were also mostly flying the Mk.V, only 133 squadron RAF (336th FS USAAF) had begun to receive some Mk.IX in Sept 1942. But I believe it then gave up the Mk.IX at that point.
Radial engines tend to have a poorer specific fuel consumption figure compared to inline power plants - plus the fact that the P-47 is a much larger and heavier aircraft compared to the Spitfire - although twin-engined fighters such as the P-38 and Mosquito would be even heavier still.That's right, but look at the consumption figures for the Jug compared to the Spitfire and Mustang, it's double. It's like comparing two 4wd wagons, one a petrol V8 the other a turbo diesel 6, the turbo diesel is always going to use less fuel while driving the same distance.
Dimlee -- If this post is not an April Fools joke and is really what AI gave you, it is both fascinating and horrifying! I can't help thinking about how much potential misinformation and disinformation could be spread by this thing. Combine your AI experience with Wikipedia and what do you have?I was intrigued by my idea of the photo recon P-47.
The idea was (of course) brilliant, I just needed to find some support on the Internet. A quick search revealed nothing interesting. "Damned bomber mafia", I murmured and decided to change the tactics. There is AI and it should be incorruptible and invincible to mafia threats, isn't it?
OK, I called Chat GPT and asked... (My questions are in italics)
Wow, so easy. Now I can start YT channel and earn a lot of money debunking theP-47 Thunderbolt aircraft. Was it used in a reconnaissance role ever?
Yes, the P-47 Thunderbolt aircraft was used in a reconnaissance role during World War II.
In the European Theater of Operations (ETO), the P-47D-6-RE variant was equipped with cameras and used for photographic reconnaissance missions. These missions were typically flown at high altitudes and involved taking photographs of enemy installations, troop movements, and other strategic targets.
The P-47's speed and high altitude capabilities made it well-suited for reconnaissance missions, as it could quickly fly into and out of enemy territory while minimizing the risk of interception. Additionally, the P-47's robust design and heavy armament made it a formidable opponent against enemy fighters.
Overall, while the primary role of the P-47 Thunderbolt was as a fighter-bomber, its capabilities as a reconnaissance aircraft made it a valuable asset to the Allied forces during World War II.
Could you provide any documented evidence of reconnaissance missions performed by P-47?
Certainly! Here are a few documented examples of P-47 Thunderbolt aircraft being used in reconnaissance roles during World War II:
These are just a few examples of the P-47 Thunderbolt being used in reconnaissance roles during World War II. There are many more instances of the aircraft being used for reconnaissance missions in a variety of theaters and contexts.
- In April 1944, a squadron of P-47D-6-RE aircraft from the 10th Photographic Reconnaissance Group were assigned to fly reconnaissance missions over the Balkans. These missions involved flying at high altitudes and taking photographs of enemy troop movements, installations, and other strategic targets. The P-47s were fitted with K-17 and K-22 cameras for these missions.
- In June 1944, P-47D-10-RE aircraft from the 7th Photographic Reconnaissance Group were used to fly reconnaissance missions over Normandy in preparation for the D-Day invasion. These missions involved photographing enemy defenses, troop concentrations, and other targets of interest. The P-47s were fitted with F-3 and F-5 cameras for these missions.
- In October 1944, P-47D-15-RE aircraft from the 67th Tactical Reconnaissance Group were used to fly reconnaissance missions over the Siegfried Line in Germany. These missions involved taking photographs of enemy fortifications, gun emplacements, and other targets of interest. The P-47s were fitted with K-17 and K-22 cameras for these missions.
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But still suspicious of the great conspiracy, mafia or not, I decided to check the composition of all three groups mentioned and I found no evidence of P-47. At least, another AI - by Bing said so.
So, I came back to Chat GPT and asked in an angry voice...
I have studied the aircraft composition of the reconnaissance groups you mentioned earlier. I was not able to find ANY evidence of P-47 in those groups. Where did you take your information from?
I apologize for the error in my previous response. Upon further research, I have not been able to find any reliable sources that indicate that the P-47 Thunderbolt was used in reconnaissance roles during World War II.
While the P-47 was primarily used as a fighter-bomber, it is possible that it may have been used for limited reconnaissance missions in certain situations. However, this appears to have been the exception rather than the rule, and the aircraft was not designed or extensively used for reconnaissance purposes.
Again, I apologize for any confusion or misinformation my previous response may have caused. As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and helpful information, but I am not perfect and sometimes make mistakes. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I think I should rethink my YT project... AI ruined my hopes and my brilliant idea of PR Jug.
Interminable fights on internet forums.Combine your AI experience with Wikipedia and what do you have?
I can't quote the regulations but can talk to the Flight Manuals (USAF calls them the Dash 1) and philosophy.Why? Republic were at liberty to develop tanks and they chose not to, Rolls Royce decided to develop a whole engine called the PV-12 which was still called the PV-12 when it was installed in a Hawker Hurricane it was known as a Merlin by the time it was installed in a Spitfire. From the Wright Flyer onwards most of the aviation industry started as private ventures along with the engines. The directive is logical for peacetime. I doubt that the use of drop tanks has changed in USA even now. It just isnt a winning argument, since the USA wasnt at war, it had almost no bombers or fighters and certainly no fighters that could escort bombers, why would you want to drop a tank on someones barbeque or kitchen instead of landing with it? What did Republic do after the order was rescinded? Did they install pressurisation systems, put on reinforced hard points, plumbing and develop a self sealing tanks suitable for escort operations in Europe?
BiffF15 What are the present day US regulations for drop tanks. As I understand UK regulations they are only dropped in case of extreme emergency, either to the pilot or the state.
Yep, why the P51 was the principle LR fighter and not the P 47Radial engines tend to have a poorer specific fuel consumption figure compared to inline power plants - plus the fact that the P-47 is a much larger and heavier aircraft compared to the Spitfire - although twin-engined fighters such as the P-38 and Mosquito would be even heavier still.
Postwar, it makes sense to keep the more economical of the two types. The same reason B-25s as trainers, and A-26s were retained and B-26s were scrapped.In 1946, the AAF decided to keep the P51 (till the P-80's were on hand in numbers) and phase out the P47 immediatly. They considered it to be better of the two.
Interminable fights on internet forums.
The brass looked at the numbers, knew the pros and cons of each. And declared the Mustang the winner. Besides, the 8th AF, full of very wise and seasoned commanders, wanted the Mustang. Not the Thunderbolt. I wonder why.Postwar, it makes sense to keep the more economical of the two types. The same reason B-25s as trainers, and A-26s were retained and B-26s were scrapped.
The (small) problem is solved by converting 475 nautical miles to statute miles = 550.
According to the producer this configuration was available as from November 1943 and provided a range of about 450/475 statute miles (dependent on the figures/settings used in the range charts) - enough to reach Berlin.