The Guns We Own

[mikewint]

The 9X scope and bench rest get most of the credit, though there was a time when I had two good eyes...
My last set of guns are mostly just for fun
1. Waited for more than a year but finally my Kel-tec PMR-30. A .22WMR auto with a 30 round double stack magazine, light gathering bar sights that even I can see.
2. A Henry .22WMR lever action with a Bushnell 9X variable wide angle scope. A real tack driver to about 100yds under calm conditions. HP rounds are deadly on small game
3. Taurus Circuit Judge - a 5 shot double or single action .410 shotgun shooting 2.5 or 3in magnum shells. #7 bird shot, #5 game, #3 or 000 buckshoot deadly to anyone within 25yds. Plus with a choke change it shoots .45 long colt bullets. Gap between cylinder and barrel gives a good sid blast. Got to watch where your left arm goes
4. Target at 10yds showing 10 rounds of #5 shot and 5 of 000 buck (larger holes)

 

[GrauGeist]

Dang Mike, that 410 wheel gun is really cool...reminds me of the Winchester model 9410, which I really wanted to get when it came out.

Your comment about the "splash" at the cylindar/barrel reminds me of when I was shooting the family's vintage Colt .41 Long. The gap between the cylindar and forcing cone was such, that lead would dangerously splash to either side, making it unsafe to discharge at a public range but also confirming stories of the old west, where bystanders would often suffer worse than the gunslingers themselves...

 

[MacArther]

How common are wheel gun rifles/shotguns like the one you have shown? What sort of operating pressure/round can you go up to in such a design?

 

[RabidAlien]

Dang, I've always found those wheel-gun rifles sooo cool lookin! Awesome!!!

 

[mikewint]

MacA, 000 buckshot are .36in diameter and about 72 grain. 00 buckshot are .33in in diameter and 67 grain. Pressures in the smaller .410 shotgun are similiar to rifle pressures running about 13,500psi producing velocities of 1,200fps for the 5 buckshot (000) in the shell. 00 buckshot puts 7 shot into the shell.
While there is a .410 slug it is only about 100 grain. The long colt by comparison has a 250 grain wadcutter bullet so why bother with the slug.
Winchester has just developed a defensive .410 shell which contains 4 copper plated disks .4in in diameter and .25in thick. The 4 disks are backed by 16 BBs (.18in diameter). The disks are wide enough to engage the rifleing in the barrel (this little trick keeps the Circuit Judge clear of the sawed-off shotgun laws) thus the disks spread very little. The 16 BBs spread in the usual manner. In effect bullets backed by shotgun pellets
History - The wheel-rifle was a effort to increase fire power and was adopted very quickly by the military replacing both bolt and lever-action. The cylinder carried various capacities up to 12 rounds in some models. The two main problems were the gap between cylinder and barrel which vented pressure reducing bullet velocities and the slower reloading since the empty cases are not ejected.

 

[Matt308]

Fun stuff guys! I'm jealous of the keltec

 

[mikewint]

Matt, guy at the last gun show was walking around with one asking $625. I laughed

 

[Matt308]

Yeah no kidding. I would have too. I like it, but not nearly that much. Hardly close. Look, in my eyes the real short coming of the Keltec is the price of .22mag compared with other centerfire ammo.

Now if only they could reinvent history so that .22lr would fire in a .22mag.

 

[mikewint]

Matt, actually I did not think that the .22WMR was that far out of price compared to the .22LR. I pay $10.97 per 50 for CCI in .22WMR and $8.47 per 50 for .22LR. The Kel-tec is fussy and pretty much requires a quality WMR round. I can also buy bulk 5000 round cases for considerably less per round.
I have a friend that can buy pretty much at cost: 250 rounds .45 for $90 not a whole lot more than the .22WMR

 

[RabidAlien]

Found a quote over at Gun Free Zone:

"Contrary to what some experts say, I do believe in a warning shot in the air….. of the lungs. Critters get the warning pretty fast then."

That would make one AWESOME Tshirt!

 

[mikewint]

RA, Excellent, going along with the other two posts, I like this one

 

[RabidAlien]

A friend emailed me a pic of a metal sign that he's gonna get for his front door, has that on it.

 

[Matt308]

Mike you pay a hefty price for .22LR. For twice that I can get 500rds or so. I do have to admit though that even .22LR is going up in price. Hell 10yrs ago I could get a brick of 500 for a little over what you now pay for 50. It sucks to get old. And if you can get .45 for $0.18/rnd, man I would buy that all day long. I went on last-minute-decision to go shooting with my boys and realized I had no .38spl. On the way I stopped at the local gunshop and payed about $10/50rds for Fiocchi TMJ. Time to break out the reloader. That was a forehead slapper.

And God forbid, Rabid, that your buddy ever shoot anyone in his house. That sign would be used as circumstantial evidence to pretty much seal his doom by the opposing lawyer(s). Makes me sick that the whole country doesn't embrace the Castle Doctrine. It ought to be that a person who invades someone's home is fair game. Running away or not. You cross the threshold, game on. Nobody punishes the guy who posts a "Beware of Dog" sign on his door.

 

[CharlesBronson]

Very nice that "shotgun revolver". I have see here some over and unders in 45/410 combination but never a six shooter

 

[MacArther]

Anyone have any reviews about the M6 survival rifle or the Ar-7 rifle?

 

[GrauGeist]

I used to own an Armalite AR-7...I loved that rifle.

Lightweight, compact and pretty dang accurate.

I was very pleased with it

 

[RabidAlien]

Mike, no worries, its one of those things we laughed at (like the sign that says "c'mon in, but be warned the dog is armed and refuses to take his medicine"), but would never post. Its a sad, sad state of affairs when the criminals who break into a person's home end up having more rights than the person defending their own property and loved ones. Sad, indeed.

 

[Torch]

+1

 

[vikingBerserker]

 

[mikewint]

Matt, I generally buy CCI but Federal has .22LR, 550 rounds for $23 aout $.04 per round. I bought 1000 rounds of the .45 and will pick up another 1000 next month. It's FMJ but that's OK for target, ect. Heck it's a pretty good anti-personel round
Beware of Dog falls into the same catagory as the gun signs. Leagally it is an open admission that you have a vicious animal.
In Ark. you can shoot 'em in your yard in the chest, in the back is a no-no. It is excessive force as they were retreating. Also you can't keep pumping rounds into 'em. In fear of my life only goes so far, even in Ark.