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CharlesB, I guess the old revolver carbine has pretty well passed into history. They were very popular in the "old west" and in the military where the replaced both bolt and lever. Eventually the slow reload did them in.
The best known, to me, was Colt's 1855
ans Remington made several models
 

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Went out to DFW Gun Range - Training Center and Retail Firearms Store - Dallas, TX today with a friend from church, and my wife. First time shooting a shotgun for our friend J, my wife J, and myself (J's boyfriend, D, brought his pistol-grip 12-gage...I forget the make and model), that's always fun! My wife and I went through a couple boxes of ammo (yeah, yeah....once more bills get paid off, we'll start going through a LOT more ammo, trust me!), and I managed to snag this beauty of a shot (photo and handgun!) with a cell phone camera...probably used up a years' supply of luck getting it, too! Still, its a cool shot, IMHAOIO (in my humble and oft-ignored opinion).




ETA: Mike, I've always loved the looks of those old revolver rifles! They're just frikkin COOL!
 
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Pistol-grip shotguns are certainly fun to shoot, I used to have a Remington 870 that I worked into a "Vindicator" model:
Parkerized finish
Factory 18 1/4" police style barrel (2 3/4" chamber)
Tube magazine extension
Pachmeyer grips (both butt and pump)
External stores, reciever mounted
Barrel heat extractor

It was a real (pardon the pun) blast to run some rounds through and it would have been a serious equilizer against home intruders or a door-to-door situation.

And, AWESOME catch on that pic, RA...well done!
 
Yeah, we had a great time shooting it (not that we ran too many shells through it...it wasn't ours, after all). Would have been nice to have a laser dot on it, so that we knew were we were going to be putting the buckshot. After two of my shots went a bit low, I had to comment that not only would the perp NOT be getting up after taking those loads, but he wouldn't be perpetuating the criminal gene-pool any more. After that, I managed to get them somewhere near center-mass. It wasn't a pretty target, by any means...but it was a "stopped" target. LOL
 
I hear ya' on the devestating target coverage!

I had considered at one time, placing a laser on my Vindicator, but I figured it wasn't really nessecary since one round (2 3/4" high-brass #6) would clear a decent sized room. So simply levelling it about hip-height and pointing it in the bad-guy's general direction would accomplish serious coverage of not only thier body, but the floor, ceiling, most walls and about 90% of any other object within thier general vicinity (except those items directly behind aforementioned bad guy's body)...
 
Yep, its a room-sweeper, that's for sure. However, since it would probably be a room filled with my own possessions, I figured the more lead-therapy the perp received, the less the items that I'd paid for would receive. Win-win, in my book!
 
here's what you need for those 12 ga shotguns.....a couple thugs coming down the hallway...light'em up...literally!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwhCygmhbCg


there are a bunch of "interesting" shotgun rounds that are still available today. there was:

the bolo round. a shell that had 2 lead balls with a piec of piano wire between them
flechette rounds. a shell with hundreds of small finishing nail sized darts.
animal control rounds. a small 12 ga explosive grenade
rubber slug, there were 2 versions one with a large rubber sabot and one with several 00 buck size rubber balls
tear gas round, self explanitory as well
smoke round, self explanitory
flare round, 2 versions one had a parachute, the other did not
i dont know how practical any of those would be but i am sure they would be fun to shoot...lol
 
There are also 12 Gauge drag-corrected bean-bag rounds. Definately non-lethal unless you nail the douchebag in the throat/eye or perhaps a close range shot to the brisket resulting in cardiac arrest.

I hate to even say this, but the way things are nowdays regarding defense attorneys and the dreaded personal injury attorneys, I wouldn't consider non-lethal force to a home invader or someone jeopardizing my life. I just cannot afford the protracted legal battles that would ensue...
 
Bolo round sounds devastatingly lethal! Same with Flechette. I'd LOVE to see them in action, though, out on an open range somewhere.

If such a thing is available, it is not above board market. This description is of "pirate" era wherein cannon fodder might have consisted of two large shots connected via wire to destroy ship rigging. Nowadays? BS. I've never seen such unless it is black market or small scale sales.
 
Yeah, I knew about the grape- and chain-shot from the wind-powered naval days. Wasn't quite sure how they'd get a chain small enough to fit in the shells, but strong enough to withstand being fired. Still, the sci-fi geek in me would love to see them come to be!
 
RA, excellent shot (also no pun)
I'm with Matt, I've never heard of such rounds for a shotgun. The fletchet rounds were common in Arty and I have seen them in action. There are also aerial bomblets than spray the fletchets. I have anti-personel rounds for the .410 that contain 4, .45 cal disks and 18 BB's. The disks are supposed to go essentially straight while the BBs spread. I personally like a 20 gauge auto for home defense. Most times you are shooting across a room 12 - 15ft and even for a 20 that's a tight pattern. I also like #8 shot backed up by #00 buck in following rounds.
Going to post pics soon. Recently bought an SSA 1893 Custer Colt 7.5in complete with the Ainsworth cartouche, not 100% orginal, been reworked in the past so it s fully shootable and just recently a 1939 German Army Luger also almost orginal. It has 2 unmatched serial numbers and is also a great shooter. If it could only talk
 
i never claimed they were available at walmart...just that if you want them...you can get them. one of my ammo suppliers had them but since i wasnt into shotguns i never stocked any. but you can go shopping for all those and more here...

Specialized Shotshell Ammunition

mike back in the late 80s early 90s they found a crap load of walther P 38 and luger parts in belgium. some of the guns were partial and some were completely broken down. they ( importer ) put them together with mixed parts so the serial numbers didnt match. they went for about 1/2 the price of the matching but shot just as well. who really care if the numbers all match unless you are a die hard collector...
 
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By the way, Matt...the bolo round, flechette and a broad variety of rounds for 12 gauge and other gauges are currently available from an ammunition dealer I have dealt with several times (none of this stuff, though...I was after plain old 9mm ammo)...

Here's a partial list from thier catalogue:
 
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However, if you ever shot somebody with one of these rounds, in a legal situation or not, I guarantee that you would go directly to jail.
 
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if i "needed" to shot someone.....going to jail would be the last thing on my mind. hitting the target would be #1... lol

That's a nice statement from someone not having shot someone. But if you were to talk with firearm lawyers and firearm special witnesses, hey would tell you different everyday of the week. It's an easy decision when you make a snap judgement on a moments notice to load your firearm. It is quite another when you have made a concientious decision to load yourself with "publicly perceived" extreme loads.

Look, I'm with you, but reality is that legal proceedings even view our 2nd amendment rights negatively when we are reloaders that work up high power +P or +P+ loadings for personal defense. Just look in the recent past wherein Winchester Black Talon's were vilified by victim rights advocates and certain medical surgeons.

Be careful gents. Its no different than putting a sign on your front door that says "This house protected by Smith and Wesson". You shoot somebody and they will use that against you.
 

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