GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
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The Guns We Own
- Thread starter ccheese
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One more time for our friend Ronnie...
I have reopened this thread for discussion.
I have also removed the posts that got it closed in the first place. Do not let this thread be closed again for dabling into politics.
You all know there is a strict no politics rule on this forum. The reason being, it always gets out of hand and people start making personal insults. We mods grew tired of asking people to stop with the insults, just to be ignored.
We mods stand unified on this.
Talk guns all you want. Keep the politics out of it.
If politics comes back into this again, the thread will be closed permanently, and the offenders will get some time off. Please don't ruin it, we mods don't enjoy having to do that.
Thanks for your cooperation, and firearm away...
I have reopened this thread for discussion.
I have also removed the posts that got it closed in the first place. Do not let this thread be closed again for dabling into politics.
You all know there is a strict no politics rule on this forum. The reason being, it always gets out of hand and people start making personal insults. We mods grew tired of asking people to stop with the insults, just to be ignored.
We mods stand unified on this.
Talk guns all you want. Keep the politics out of it.
If politics comes back into this again, the thread will be closed permanently, and the offenders will get some time off. Please don't ruin it, we mods don't enjoy having to do that.
Thanks for your cooperation, and firearm away...
mikewint
Captain
Bobby the big plus was the light weight for both the gun and ammo. I was also impressed by the "wounds" made by those little suckers as they yawed their way through tissue. One poor VC got hit in the hip and the round blew both his butt cheeks completely off.
The main problem (as I recall) was in the gas-tube which would either plug or burn out. I refused to carry one and managed to snag an Uzi from another sargent going back to the world. Think it was about '64 or so, after a number of improvements we were issued the CAR-15s which were almost a different gun.
The forward assists were a big help in seating cartridges that did not completely load and you quickly developed a pattern of slapping the mag, then charging, then slapping the forward.
Many of the sporting ARs now do not have the forward nor the ejection port cover.
The main problem (as I recall) was in the gas-tube which would either plug or burn out. I refused to carry one and managed to snag an Uzi from another sargent going back to the world. Think it was about '64 or so, after a number of improvements we were issued the CAR-15s which were almost a different gun.
The forward assists were a big help in seating cartridges that did not completely load and you quickly developed a pattern of slapping the mag, then charging, then slapping the forward.
Many of the sporting ARs now do not have the forward nor the ejection port cover.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
oh yeah the weight difference between 200 rounds of 7.62 and 5.56 along with the weight difference between an M-14 and an 16. 7.62 full auto is hard to control unless you are on a bipod....5.56 is pretty manageable. I like the old A1. when I was selling guns I sold a guy a jazzed up AR 15 I built. he traded me his old A1 and some cash for it. I like the looks of the old triangle forestock....maybe its just nostalgia. but I really wanted the old a1 cos I had a lightning link. you drop that in and it becomes instant full auto only. the lowers on the newer models wont work with it....hence why I wanted that particular gun.
Ronnie Radke
Airman
- 10
- May 16, 2016
Hey Jav - yeah I got 3ft burned off my tail feathers, I am aware that I am an A-hole..........uncle Ted's a bad influence!
If you are a AAF warbird freak then I have some interesting stuff, right now we are fixing up a 50 cal wing gun from a P-47 Jug. Once I get back home I'll get some help to move them out & take some pictures.
If you are a AAF warbird freak then I have some interesting stuff, right now we are fixing up a 50 cal wing gun from a P-47 Jug. Once I get back home I'll get some help to move them out & take some pictures.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
I hope all this stuff is legally acquired, and not infringing on a 'war grave' site ?
It's nice to have the 'relics', as long as all due respect is paid, and understood, for those lost.
It's nice to have the 'relics', as long as all due respect is paid, and understood, for those lost.
Ronnie Radke
Airman
- 10
- May 16, 2016
Could you be more specific - what's your point, I don't think I understand your question if this is directed at me?
Ronnie Radke
Airman
- 10
- May 16, 2016
Couple of .50 cals out of a B-17 chin turret we dug from a wreck a few years back
He is asking if the artifacts came from what is considered a war grave (i.e. shot down aircraft where the crew was still inside)?
If so he does not agree with the taking of artifacts from the site.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Correct.
My comment, although specific to the posts by Ronnie, was a 'general' comment on the acquisition of some relics from crash sites, and not intended as a 'stab' at Ronnie, or any other individual.
I've seen items from crash sites for sale, from various sources, where it was fairly evident that the seller(s) had more than likely got the items by less than legal means, bearing in mind the laws covering access to sites, and the removal of artefacts, at least in the UK.
Although it's nice to own a 'piece of history', and have the knowledge that the items concerned were used or handled by some courageous, often unknown serviceman back in WW2 ( I have a few small items myself,) this is only acceptable if the items concerned were obtained legally - not my words, but those of the relevant authorities concerned.
I actually have an 'open mind' about this - given that the items removed from a particular crash site are recovered in a sympathetic and honourable way, and are treated with any due reverence they deserve, then, in my view, that is acceptable, even if the site is a 'War Grave'.
This may not be in line with the guidelines and laws appertaining to said sites, and is purely how I feel about it.
However, there are people who will 'raid' a site, and remove items purely for profit, when it's the innocent buyer of these items who will then attract the negative aspects of recovering or owning such items.
My comment regarding the collection owned by Ronnie was aimed purely at the method and legal aspects of how the items were obtained, and was not intended as a 'stab' or derogatory comment on the ownership of these items which, in this instance, appears to be honourable and honest.
My comment, although specific to the posts by Ronnie, was a 'general' comment on the acquisition of some relics from crash sites, and not intended as a 'stab' at Ronnie, or any other individual.
I've seen items from crash sites for sale, from various sources, where it was fairly evident that the seller(s) had more than likely got the items by less than legal means, bearing in mind the laws covering access to sites, and the removal of artefacts, at least in the UK.
Although it's nice to own a 'piece of history', and have the knowledge that the items concerned were used or handled by some courageous, often unknown serviceman back in WW2 ( I have a few small items myself,) this is only acceptable if the items concerned were obtained legally - not my words, but those of the relevant authorities concerned.
I actually have an 'open mind' about this - given that the items removed from a particular crash site are recovered in a sympathetic and honourable way, and are treated with any due reverence they deserve, then, in my view, that is acceptable, even if the site is a 'War Grave'.
This may not be in line with the guidelines and laws appertaining to said sites, and is purely how I feel about it.
However, there are people who will 'raid' a site, and remove items purely for profit, when it's the innocent buyer of these items who will then attract the negative aspects of recovering or owning such items.
My comment regarding the collection owned by Ronnie was aimed purely at the method and legal aspects of how the items were obtained, and was not intended as a 'stab' or derogatory comment on the ownership of these items which, in this instance, appears to be honourable and honest.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Well said, Terry.
To add a little to that, when a crash site is discovered, it is also important to identify the wreck. This has several important aspects, firstly, it can help aid in determining the fate of the pilot/crew: KIA, MIA, POW, etc.
It can also fill holes in the war records, for example: luftwaffe pilot claimed so and so B-17 last seen over such and such town, no crash site located, B-17 never recovered, fate of crew unknown.
To add a little to that, when a crash site is discovered, it is also important to identify the wreck. This has several important aspects, firstly, it can help aid in determining the fate of the pilot/crew: KIA, MIA, POW, etc.
It can also fill holes in the war records, for example: luftwaffe pilot claimed so and so B-17 last seen over such and such town, no crash site located, B-17 never recovered, fate of crew unknown.
mikewint
Captain
Here in the US any WWII sites on land I would assume have been removed long ago unless in some remote unknown wilderness area or deep under water. The only concern fed/state would have (I assume) would be toward live ordnance or a machine gun restorable to working condition. Back in the late '50s surplus WWII guns were for sale for under $10. "Deactivated" souvenir guns like .45 Thompsons were about $25. Deactivation consisted of pouring lead into the breech and barrel. We bought a new barrel and spent a month or so picking the soft lead out of the breech. With just a bit of effort...a working Thompson
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
There's an enormous amount of crash sites in North America that haven't been found yet.
There's hundreds of wrecks in the Sierra mountains alone, occasionally one is discovered, like the B-25 that was lost in a snowstorm and it's crew's remains were recently recovered from a glacier.
There's hundreds of wrecks in the Sierra mountains alone, occasionally one is discovered, like the B-25 that was lost in a snowstorm and it's crew's remains were recently recovered from a glacier.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Mom is going through my Stepdad's things and came across a Geko Caribiner model 1919 .22 cal. and she asked me if I wanted it.
Does a bear sh!t in the woods?
Does a bear sh!t in the woods?
mikewint
Captain
That's fantastic Dave. Looks something like my first single shot .22 but I can't remember the make any more. Was about 1952 or so. Was an Xmas present from Dad. Mom had a cow!! Shot mostly Shorts as they were cheap
at6
1st Sergeant
No new fire arms for me. Still love the Oskar Debertshauser 22 I was given for my 12th birthday. I still fire it every now and then even though it is from 1941 to 1945 as far as manufacture date.
